Comments Thread For: Lennox Lewis: Wilder Deserves 60-40 Split for Joshua Fight

[Sid-Knee]

Stfu. I'm done talking to a ******. Really. You've got to be ******ed.

Yep, you were just fronting and coming out with nonsense. I ask you a simple question and you get angry like a child because you can't give an adequate answer. You're a typical American do you know that?

Now kiss me where I poo.

[N/A]

But that money in the US was down to Joshua's popularity, not Wilder's.

Wilder is far more popular in the US than AJ. AJ's fights don't do big numbers in the US. Sure, it's unfair to AJ because the fights are taking place in another country at another time, but it doesn't change the fact that the US has very little interest in him unless it's for a fight with Wilder. Lennox Lewis fought here many times, with full HBO backing when HBO was a monster, and the public still didn't care that much unless he was fighting Holyfield or Tyson. That's just how things are here.

If Wilder really did bring something to the table, wouldn't he be getting much bigger paydays than he does now?

Two problems with that position. #1 - You don't know what Wilder actually gets paid. #2 - Even if you want to go by filed purses, GGG just made half of what Wilder makes, but is still getting 45% against Canelo.

Realistically, AJ probably makes 15-20 million per fight while Wilder probably makes 4-5 million per fight. Obviously a big difference. AJ is the A-side for sure. But an A-side needs the right B-side to have a megafight. Wilder is literally the only person AJ can fight right now and sell hundreds of thousands of $75 US PPVs.

That's just how it works sometimes. It takes two people to build a megafight. So even if 50 million is only 3x more than AJ normally makes, and Wilder ends up with 30 million, which would be way more than 3x what he normally makes, Wilder is still the only guy that allows AJ to make 50 million in one night. That's just how boxing has always been. You never ever see a flat fee in a fight that big.

[Mike Haynes]

B*tch.. if Wilder was from the U.K he would be a God. Them cheap ass tickets fool.. lol

EXACTLY. Boxing is behind NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL here. That country is the size of Tennessee and ain't **** else going on over there.

[Mike Haynes]

Wilder is far more popular in the US than AJ. AJ's fights don't do big numbers in the US. Sure, it's unfair to AJ because the fights are taking place in another country at another time, but it doesn't change the fact that the US has very little interest in him unless it's for a fight with Wilder. Lennox Lewis fought here many times, with full HBO backing when HBO was a monster, and the public still didn't care that much unless he was fighting Holyfield or Tyson. That's just how things are here.




Two problems with that position. #1 - You don't know what Wilder actually gets paid. #2 - Even if you want to go by filed purses, GGG just made half of what Wilder makes, but is still getting 45% against Canelo.

Realistically, AJ probably makes 15-20 million per fight while Wilder probably makes 4-5 million per fight. Obviously a big difference. AJ is the A-side for sure. But an A-side needs the right B-side to have a megafight. Wilder is literally the only person AJ can fight right now and sell hundreds of thousands of $75 US PPVs.

That's just how it works sometimes. It takes two people to build a megafight. So even if 50 million is only 3x more than AJ normally makes, and Wilder ends up with 30 million, which would be way more than 3x what he normally makes, Wilder is still the only guy that allows AJ to make 50 million in one night. That's just how boxing has always been. You never ever see a flat fee in a fight that big.

Excellent post.

[Lemonhead_Jeff]

Are you're saying Wladimir should have got the victory on the score-cards?

It best outcome would have been a no-contest!
Neither really 'deserved' to win based upon that performance.
No, I don't think Fury deserved the title, and it was made
even more unpalatable by his incessant bragging afterwards.
While I'm at it, I also don't think Haye deserved the victory over Valuev in Germany. Both sad fights should have resulted in a draw. Either way, Fury being physically worthy of holding the championship is irrelevant since he has already shown that he was not mentally capable.

[Sid-Knee]

Wilder is far more popular in the US than AJ. AJ's fights don't do big numbers in the US. Sure, it's unfair to AJ because the fights are taking place in another country at another time, but it doesn't change the fact that the US has very little interest in him unless it's for a fight with Wilder. Lennox Lewis fought here many times, with full HBO backing when HBO was a monster, and the public still didn't care that much unless he was fighting Holyfield or Tyson. That's just how things are here.




Two problems with that position. #1 - You don't know what Wilder actually gets paid. #2 - Even if you want to go by filed purses, GGG just made half of what Wilder makes, but is still getting 45% against Canelo.

Realistically, AJ probably makes 15-20 million per fight while Wilder probably makes 4-5 million per fight. Obviously a big difference. AJ is the A-side for sure. But an A-side needs the right B-side to have a megafight. Wilder is literally the only person AJ can fight right now and sell hundreds of thousands of $75 US PPVs.

That's just how it works sometimes. It takes two people to build a megafight. So even if 50 million is only 3x more than AJ normally makes, and Wilder ends up with 30 million, which would be way more than 3x what he normally makes, Wilder is still the only guy that allows AJ to make 50 million in one night. That's just how boxing has always been. You never ever see a flat fee in a fight that big.

Wilder may be more popular in the states than Joshua is, but it still doesn't get people buying tickets to his fights. So it's neither here nor there.

You don't know what Wilder is paid either, so stop trying to make out what you're saying has any value because it doesn't.

GGG made half of What Wilder did because HBO didn't put much money up for a late replacement. And Wilder only doubled that in one fight, against Ortiz. Wilder usually doesn't get paid that much.

Hundreds and thousands of American are going to buy the PPV? You've got nothing to back this up with. It's only a hope that it does. But as trends have gone when fighting on Showtime or HBO then being on PPV the numbers have dropped quite significantly. Look at Ward, Golovkin and Crawford for examples.

If you really believe Wilder deserves to make about 30 mill in one fight, you're crazy. He hasn't earned that kind of money. Why should Wilder get so many times his biggest payday but Joshua only gets to make 2x his biggest payday? That isn't fair in any way.

30% max is all Wilder is worth. Any more than that and he's taking the piss. If he wants more, Joshua should just ignore him and let him fight his bums for short money.

[Sid-Knee]

EXACTLY. Boxing is behind NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL here. That country is the size of Tennessee and ain't **** else going on over there.

Boxing is a niche sport in the UK as well. It isn't in the top 5 of sports over here.

Yeah, nothing is going on over here at all. We all live in mud-huts and eat insects to feed us. Could you please help us with food and shelter?

[Sid-Knee]

It best outcome would have been a no-contest!
Neither really 'deserved' to win based upon that performance.
No, I don't think Fury deserved the title, and it was made
even more unpalatable by his incessant bragging afterwards.
While I'm at it, I also don't think Haye deserved the victory over Valuev in Germany. Both sad fights should have resulted in a draw. Either way, Fury being physically worthy of holding the championship is irrelevant since he has already shown that he was not mentally capable.

You won't find many people who agree with you. Fury clearly won the fight and deserved the titles.

[Jab jab boom]

Golovkin is a superior fighter in every way to Wilder. Much more accomplished. And he only got 30% the first time round with Canelo. It's only after the first fight did big on PPV that Golovkin earned more. Throw in the fact that Golovkin won the first fight but was robbed and Canelo's problems with failing drug tests and it all adds up to Canelo needing Golovkin for his reputation. So it's not even close to being the same situation as Joshua/Wilder.

the Canelo vs ggg rematch is an entirely different story for the reasons you mentioned but the initial match is somewhat similar. At the end of the day, you have 2 you have undefeated heavyweight champions in their primes and historically heavyweight fights historically do the biggest business. Both fighters deserve a cut of the ppv. Wilder may not look like the most skilled fighter but he's better than you're giving him credit for. He has a sharp jab, quick 1-2 and scary power. His windmill punches are an entirely different story though.

[Raggamuffin]

Why is he Sidknee going HAM in protecting Joshua and why are you saying the same **** to him that he never has an answer for? Why do y'all even bother with the Jugglenuts Kafkods and Sun Tzu's of the world, lmao. Why?