Comments Thread For: Wilder: I Won't Accept Flat Fee; Now It's 50-50 for Joshua Fight

[kafkod]

Which is why the contract didnt have a date on it.

Eh? Obviously the contract would need to have a date on it by the time Hearn showed it to the WBA.

What's being claimed is that he intended to enter an April 2019 date after Wilder had signed it, and that he fraudulently misled everybody, including the WBA, into thinking it was a contract for a fight in Oct or Nov this year.

[Ake-Dawg]

Eh? Obviously the contract would need to have a date on it by the time Hearn showed it to the WBA.

What's being claimed is that he intended to enter an April 2019 date after Wilder had signed it, and that he fraudulently misled everybody, including the WBA, into thinking it was a contract for a fight in Oct or Nov this year.

I'm not claiming that. I'm claiming that he or they used the WBA to give off the impression the fight would be next.

Not sure why you think the contract had to be sent to the WBA. Rules dont even require signed contracts for exceptions to mandatories.

[N/A]

Let me get this clear .. are you seriously suggesting that Hearn mislead not only Wilder's team but the media, the fans, and the WBA themselves, by pretending to try and negotiate an immediate unification with Wilder, when really, he was planning all along to switch the date to April 2019 after Wilder signed?

Hearn clearly preferred that Povetkin be next and that's been his #1 choice for months. But how do you sell a Povetkin fight when the whole world wants a Wilder fight? You have to at least act like you tried to make the fight, blame the other side, then give the public the fight you wanted all along. How many times did we see Arum do this with Pacquiao? How many times did we see Oscar do this with Canelo? It's the classic move when you have the big cash cow.

Hearn definitely misled Wilder's team about his desire to have the fight this year. He made ridiculous low ball demands to get them to go away. They kept saying yes anyway and in the end, Hearn still wasn't willing to do the fight this year.

As for Povetkin and the WBA, they both knew Povetkin was likely next, but that Hearn was also considering Wilder. It's not like Hearn 100% for sure all along was going to pick Povetkin. I'm sure the money that could be made from Wilder was tempting at times. But in the end, Hearn stuck to his guns and made the smart business decision.

[N/A]

I neither know nor care what Finkel says was in the contract.

Well that's a big part of your problem. You're choosing to ignore the more credible party in the dispute. In this instance, Hearn isn't even dis*****g what Finkel said. Hearn admitted the contract had no date. Hearn hasn't denied the contract didn't guarantee the fight would be next. And as soon as Wilder was ready to sign, Hearn would only sign for April. Doesn't seem like the actions of a man desperate to make the fight happen in 2018.

All I need to know is that the WBA delayed ordering their mando to give Hearn time to negotiate it and when Wilder failed to sign it they ordered that the mando should be finalised immediately

But ordering the mando doesnt stop the unification. AJ vs Povetkin isn't signed yet. AJ vs Wilder could have been signed last Friday. Hearn wasn't out of time. He simply didn't want the fight.

[Laligalaliga]

US fans don't pay to watch AJ fight on PPV cause he isn't a PPV fighter here, US fans don't even bother to watch him fight live and you could tell by his ratings.

Going by what you wrote, AJ has a massive audience in the UK, arena is filled up within a week, has massive audience in Europe and sell ppv in millions.
At the other side, wilder can't command his community people to watch him on ppv. His fan boys here can't even pay to watch him on ppv except he is fighting AJ.
Technically, wilder fan boys are so interested in seeing AJ fight than wilder.
Put on your thinking cap brother.

[Laligalaliga]

I hope AJ loses.. so he can think about the 100 million he *****ed up! Not to mention the rematch!

you concern yourself too much about AJ instead of wilder.
You should be worry about wilder missing out on a potential 40mil to fight AJ.
He might not make such money again till he retire.

[Laligalaliga]

Only ****** fans don't realize by now that if a fight is guaranteed to do at least 1 mil ppv buys, oferring a flat fee is just another way to duck the fight and pretend that you were interested in making it. Mayweather did that to pac, Canelo did it to ggg and now Joshua is doing it to wilder. They don't want the fight right now and if you think otherwise, you're an idiot.

I can see the fight will make 1mil ppv with some one who has 0ppv and wants a 50/50.
Can you join me to laugh out loud?

[Laligalaliga]

You do realize that Wilder has beat two guys that were ranked in the top five of the HW rankings at the time they fought and AJ has only faced one right?

Wilder fought Stiverne when he was ranked #4 and Ortiz when he was ranked #3

Joshua faced Parker when he was ranked #5

Just some unbiased info for you lol

Are you this dumb? Parker was a champion.

[Laligalaliga]

Look, it is really ****** to talk about either man needing the fight for financial reasons. They both are quite well off financially at this point. Sure AJ has more money than Wilder but Wilder already has enough to live the type lifestyle he enjoys for the remainder of his life. How much money is enough? For some, no matter how wealthy they become it is not enough. What can Joshua do with $100 million that he can't do with $50 million? Have five homes instead of two, ten cars instead of five? Obviously Wilder is the more grounded of the two.

you av made no point minster.

[kafkod]

Well that's a big part of your problem. You're choosing to ignore the more credible party in the dispute. In this instance, Hearn isn't even dis*****g what Finkel said. Hearn admitted the contract had no date. Hearn hasn't denied the contract didn't guarantee the fight would be next. And as soon as Wilder was ready to sign, Hearn would only sign for April. Doesn't seem like the actions of a man desperate to make the fight happen in 2018.




But ordering the mando doesnt stop the unification. AJ vs Povetkin isn't signed yet. AJ vs Wilder could have been signed last Friday. Hearn wasn't out of time. He simply didn't want the fight.

If Finkel is saying the contract Hearn sent was for a fight in April 2019, then he is clearly lying.

The contract was for a fight to happen next .. which is why the WBA gave Hearn an extension on their mando deadline so he could try to negotiate it. Everybody concerned must have known that, including Finkel.

"The contract could have been signed on Friday"

So why wasn't it signed on Friday, then emailed straight to Eddie Hearn so he could show it to the WBA?

The truth is that the contract could have been signed before Friday ... but Wilder's team didn't want him to sign it!.