Comments Thread For: Wilder: I Won't Accept Flat Fee; Now It's 50-50 for Joshua Fight

[kafkod]

When did the WBA give Hearn a deadline to finalize Wilder Joshua? The deadline in April was 30 days for Povetkin Joshua for which Hearn said he received many extensions. I am not aware of there ever being a Josha Wilder deadline.

I think the presumption everyone has is that the contract was for Wilder to be next, but the contract language didn't indicate that per Finkel.

Hearn made several statements saying he had notified Wilder's team that the WBA were telling him to finalise AJ/Wilder quickly, because time was running out on the extension they granted him.

As I said in a previous post - if Hearn had been negotiating a fight with Wilder in April, he wouldn't needed to ask for an extension on AJ/Povetkin in the first place, because it would always have been happening first, before the unification with Wilder.

[Ake-Dawg]

Hearn made several statements saying he had notified Wilder's team that the WBA were telling him to finalise AJ/Wilder quickly, because time was running out on the extension they granted him.

As I said in a previous post - if Hearn had been negotiating a fight with Wilder in April, he wouldn't needed to ask for an extension on AJ/Povetkin in the first place, because it would always have been happening first, before the unification with Wilder.

I see what you're saying in both posts. The issue was regarding the exception to fight the unification. If the exception is granted, there is no more pressure from the WBA while they negotiate. And yes, Hearn said that a signed contract was needed for the exception..but that doesn't align with the WBA statement. Why would the WBA bail on the Wilder deal 3 days before signature?

[Illmatic94]

Offering flat fees means they don't want the fight.

Period.

Wilder accepting $15 million flat makes him a damn fool but it shows his willingness to make it happen.

In a fight of this magnitude a flat fee is an insult.

Wilder was about to go down as the biggest idiot in boxing history with that deal and it still wasn't enough to get the juiced up bodybuilder in the ring.

As far as 50-50 this is just angling for a percentage split that he deserves. how TF does Parker get % split but not Wilder?

the cowardly Brits can breathe easy. the body bagging of AJ will have to wait a while.

Hopefully Pedvetkin comes juiced out of his mind for an even playing field against the bodybuilder.

[juggernaut666]

Offering flat fees means they don't want the fight.

Period.

Wilder accepting $15 million flat makes him a damn fool but it shows his willingness to make it happen.

In a fight of this magnitude a flat fee is an insult.

Wilder was about to go down as the biggest idiot in boxing history with that deal and it still wasn't enough to get the juiced up bodybuilder in the ring.

As far as 50-50 this is just angling for a percentage split that he deserves. how TF does Parker get % split but not Wilder?

the cowardly Brits can breathe easy. the body bagging of AJ will have to wait a while.

Hopefully Pedvetkin comes juiced out of his mind for an even playing field against the bodybuilder.

Wilder would have made about 10 Million if hes LUCKY paying out 50 Million to Joshua in a September U.S fight .

He was offered and AGREED to a 15 Million / 50/50 split rematch worth about 50 Million if he won ....... thats roughly 65 Million compared to 7/10 Million on his deal Finkel offered and no rematch .

Hearn dont want the fight doe ?

[N/A]

Whether it was signed at that point made no difference. What matters is that it was definitely happening next.

Not according to the contract. Why should we believe Hearn on IFL when he lies on IFL so often? If he was telling the truth, the contract would have matched what he was saying. If he was telling the truth, he wouldn't have insisted on April when there was still plenty of time left to do 2018. His actions don't match his words in this instance Kafkod. It's okay. You're still allowed to like AJ. You don't have to defend everything his promoter does.

It wasn't definitely happening next when Hearn sent the contract to Wilder. If Wilder had signed it, he would have been fighting AJ next.

All Hearn had to put in the contract was language stating it would be AJ's next fight and Wilder would have signed. If it was "definitely happening next," why would Hearn refuse to put that in the contract?

The exemption was from having to fight Povetkin next, if a deal with Wilder could be finalised and signed.

So which is it? Hearn says you can't file the exemption until the contract is signed. You claim the exemption was already filed before and contingent on the contract being signed. Neither your claim or Hearn's claim actually makes any sense to anybody that knows how sanctioning body exemptions work. There was likely still two weeks left to file an exemption. There's absolutely no reason Hearn couldn't have sent Wilder a contract last week guaranteeing the AJ fight was next. Wilder was ready to sign. The only reason this fight isn't happening next is because Hearn is a great promoter and knows it would be idiotic to do it next.

[N/A]

The contract Hearn sent was obviously for a fight between Wilder and AJ to happen next

Not even Hearn claims that. Hearn and Finkel may not agree on much, but both confirmed the contract sent didn't guarantee the fight was next. Why do you think Hearn is still pushing for Wilder to sign the contract he sent? Nothing in that contract guarantees the fight being next.

[N/A]

So you finally admit a date and venue is not required in the contract.

Never denied that. Have repeatedly said nothing in the contract guaranteed the fight was NEXT.

Why would it have taken 11 days to send the contract back with the comment on it? Finkel already said he was happy with Hearns answer to the two 'minor points'.

Because Hearn's answer was "I'll get you the date this week." So Finkel was waiting for the date so it could be inserted and signed. When Hearn finally gave him the date, it was April. Meaning at no point did Wilder ever have an opportunity to sign a contract for the fight to be next.

[kafkod]

I see what you're saying in both posts. The issue was regarding the exception to fight the unification. If the exception is granted, there is no more pressure from the WBA while they negotiate. And yes, Hearn said that a signed contract was needed for the exception..but that doesn't align with the WBA statement. Why would the WBA bail on the Wilder deal 3 days before signature?

The WBA must have decided that the negotiations had gone on long enough. They held off for nearly 2 months after ordering AJ to fight Povetkin and there was still no guarantee that a contract with would have been signed if they'd waited another 3 days.

Why would the WBA have given Hearn extensions on the Povetkin negotiations in the first place if he wasn't trying to make the fight with Wilder first? That makes no sense.

[kafkod]

Not even Hearn claims that. Hearn and Finkel may not agree on much, but both confirmed the contract sent didn't guarantee the fight was next. Why do you think Hearn is still pushing for Wilder to sign the contract he sent? Nothing in that contract guarantees the fight being next.

Why on earth would the WBA have given Hearn over a months extension on the Povetkin negotiations so he could negotiate a fight with Wilder for next April ... after the Povetkin fight had already happened?

Lol .. that's complete bullshit and you know it!

And why would they have given the following reason for ordering AJ to finalise the fight with Povetkin immediately?

"The WBA have allowed over a month extension to negotiations with Povetkin and also ongoing discussions with Deontay Wilder. It appears the Wilder team have not returned the contract for the fight and therefore we are requesting a date for the Joshua versus Povetkin fight with immediate effect."

[kafkod]

Never denied that. Have repeatedly said nothing in the contract guaranteed the fight was NEXT.




Because Hearn's answer was "I'll get you the date this week." So Finkel was waiting for the date so it could be inserted and signed. When Hearn finally gave him the date, it was April. Meaning at no point did Wilder ever have an opportunity to sign a contract for the fight to be next.

Lies, lies and more lies!

The reason Finkel was given a date in April was that he kept stalling until the WBA lost patience and ordered their mando with immediate effect, meaning AJ vs Wilder couldn't be done any earlier..