Hearn: The offer is still on the table

[yammy25]

So basically they want to promote the Povetkin fight on the back of Wilder fight being next and make Wilder fight on DAZN

I expected this from Eddie but AJ is looking like a tool now

Wilder vs AJ is out for purse to all USA networks. Showtime, HBO and DAZN confirmed by Hearn today.

If HBO and Showtime offer better revenue and money for the event, then either one of those would get it.

Wilders tick over doesnt even have to be on DAZN

[LacedUp]

Let's think outside the box and forget what you think I think, or what I think you think. Let's look at it as, these aren't message board posters trying to prove a point. Instead, these are professionals who are either trying to make a fight or avoid it.

So to that end, I'm going to guess that Team Wilder has no interest in accepting any deal Hearn has on the table now. And here are the only two real likely reasons why:

1. They really don't want the fight

2. They offered the bigger money fight with a bigger reach and got turned down, were offered below-market value in return in front of a smaller audience, agreed but got the run around long enough for the fight to be pushed to a later point.

If it's one, they aren't taking whatever deal is currently on the table

If it's two, they aren't taking whatever deal is currently on the table.

The similarities to Mayweather-Pacquiao are startling except the difference here is that the B-side can offer more money.

When Mayweather-Pac fell apart in 2010, Mayweather said, "**** you, if we revisit the negotiation again, you're taking the full drug testing with no compromise and the shorter end of the money stick." And then he was an ******* about the fight for a long time.

Some people think he was ducking. Others think he was furious about how the first negotiation went. Same situation applies here.

So with that in mind, I'm going to guess that Team Wilder takes a hard stance going forward. They'll either:

A. Revisit the $50m US fight and say that's the only deal they accept

B. Rescind that offer entirely which would not surprise me at ALL.

C. Wait a few months to revisit negotiations but take a much harder stance this time.

But as for whatever deal is on the table now? Forget it.

I think you're absolutely right if this goes beyond say the next 2 weeks. But I think it's a very dangerous game for Wilder.

He came out of his last fight with a lot more credibility. It wasn't because he looked great, in fact, he looked like he usually does - Vulnerable, a bit lazy but insanely dangerous with the right hand.

We've seen this with Szpilka, Washington and lesser extent Molina/Duhaupaus and now Ortiz. But Ortiz was a bonafide top 5 heavyweight and the fight was well fought by both guys. And of course overall a tremendous heavyweight fight - the best on american soil for a decade maybe.

I think Wilder is a guy who tends to get lazy against weak opposition, or fight to their level sometimes. If he doesn't feel threatened, I think he can drop it a little and mess around.

And this will hurt his value to an extent, or at least it'll be very hard to increase it vs the guys on the table for his next fight.

So it's a dilemma in that sense. I think if they take a harder stance to this - the fight probably goes beyond 2019 and it'll never be what it would be.

But if he does, I think Joshua could also be likely to soften his stance on the money part and give Wilder more money - as I think he wants the 'history' fights.

But I think Wilder should be open about changing his stance on the offer, rather than try and say they don't want to fight - because he'll make himself look foolish when the offer is still available.

[yammy25]

Back to the present; if the fight isn't next then there's no reason to sign a contract unless you think your stock is going to be lowered between now & then. If your stock is rising, then wait to sign until it's the next fight...the deal will always sweeten as the time ripens.

How would his stock rise? the terms of the deal wont change for the AJ fight, he's just getting paid 5 mill to fight breazeale or a bum of the month before hand as a tick over.

you think if he doesnt sign he earns more than 5 mil in an interim fight against someone and then stands to ask AJ and Hearn for more after?

not happening...

[S7V7N]

How would his stock rise? the terms of the deal wont change for the AJ fight, he's just getting paid 5 mill to fight breazeale or a bum of the month before hand as a tick over.

you think if he doesnt sign he earns more than 5 mil in an interim fight against someone and then stands to ask AJ and Hearn for more after?

not happening...

That 5 mil is peanuts compared to him getting a %split for a potential Joshua fight down the road. It's short money now for long money next year.

[Kagami Taiga]

I think you're absolutely right if this goes beyond say the next 2 weeks. But I think it's a very dangerous game for Wilder.

He came out of his last fight with a lot more credibility. It wasn't because he looked great, in fact, he looked like he usually does - Vulnerable, a bit lazy but insanely dangerous with the right hand.

We've seen this with Szpilka, Washington and lesser extent Molina/Duhaupaus and now Ortiz. But Ortiz was a bonafide top 5 heavyweight and the fight was well fought by both guys. And of course overall a tremendous heavyweight fight - the best on american soil for a decade maybe.

I think Wilder is a guy who tends to get lazy against weak opposition, or fight to their level sometimes. If he doesn't feel threatened, I think he can drop it a little and mess around.

And this will hurt his value to an extent, or at least it'll be very hard to increase it vs the guys on the table for his next fight.

So it's a dilemma in that sense. I think if they take a harder stance to this - the fight probably goes beyond 2019 and it'll never be what it would be.

But if he does, I think Joshua could also be likely to soften his stance on the money part and give Wilder more money - as I think he wants the 'history' fights.

But I think Wilder should be open about changing his stance on the offer, rather than try and say they don't want to fight - because he'll make himself look foolish when the offer is still available.

There's no way that that offer or contract can stand as it is. Both guys will take fights between then, anything can happen. Anything. So Hearn, once again, is sounding dense. And the fact that you still think this is a valid offer is silly.

[LacedUp]

That 5 mil is peanuts compared to him getting a %split for a potential Joshua fight down the road. It's short money now for long money next year.

But he's offering 5million on top.

He's also saying he doesn't even have to sign for joshua, but they'll pay him 5mil regardless

[Kagami Taiga]

How would his stock rise? the terms of the deal wont change for the AJ fight, he's just getting paid 5 mill to fight breazeale or a bum of the month before hand as a tick over.

you think if he doesnt sign he earns more than 5 mil in an interim fight against someone and then stands to ask AJ and Hearn for more after?

not happening...

His stock can rise or fall. But so can Joshua's. If he gets smashed by Povetkin, this fight is dead in the water. I mean why does anyone need to be told this?

[yammy25]

That 5 mil is peanuts compared to him getting a %split for a potential Joshua fight down the road. It's short money now for long money next year.

no your point was why sign now when his stock could rise...

my question is how would his stock rise in the interim if he didnt sign the deal.

What does wilder do in the interim provided he doesnt sign for an april fight against joshua that earns him either

A. more than 5 million against that interim opponent

B. allows him to command a higher split against Joshua come April

or both

[LacedUp]

There's no way that that offer or contract can stand as it is. Both guys will take fights between then, anything can happen. Anything. So Hearn, once again, is sounding dense. And the fact that you still think this is a valid offer is silly.

Why is there no way? Wilder accepted the terms and the offer is still valid and on the table.

I don't see what the issue is when he publicly told everyone on twitter and social media that he's accepted.

Then accept and let's see who don't want it.

Also, FYI I believe Wilder 1trillion% when he says it's the only fight he wants.

[ukbox]

Wilder vs AJ is out for purse to all USA networks. Showtime, HBO and DAZN confirmed by Hearn today.

If HBO and Showtime offer better revenue and money for the event, then either one of those would get it.

Wilders tick over doesnt even have to be on DAZN

What are the odds that its not on DAZN?

When Hearn's receiving the offers from showtime & hbo then he'll know how much to legally outbid with DAZN

Its the hearn show...he wants his fingers in the ppv pie on both sides of the pond