Hearn: The offer is still on the table

[LacedUp]

His stock can rise or fall. But so can Joshua's. If he gets smashed by Povetkin, this fight is dead in the water. I mean why does anyone need to be told this?

Obviously provisions are made to the contract.

come on now.

[yammy25]

His stock can rise or fall. But so can Joshua's. If he gets smashed by Povetkin, this fight is dead in the water. I mean why does anyone need to be told this?

Hence there are obvious contingencies for nullification of the contract or terms should one of them lose......

[IMDAZED]

I think you're absolutely right if this goes beyond say the next 2 weeks. But I think it's a very dangerous game for Wilder.

He came out of his last fight with a lot more credibility. It wasn't because he looked great, in fact, he looked like he usually does - Vulnerable, a bit lazy but insanely dangerous with the right hand.

We've seen this with Szpilka, Washington and lesser extent Molina/Duhaupaus and now Ortiz. But Ortiz was a bonafide top 5 heavyweight and the fight was well fought by both guys. And of course overall a tremendous heavyweight fight - the best on american soil for a decade maybe.

I think Wilder is a guy who tends to get lazy against weak opposition, or fight to their level sometimes. If he doesn't feel threatened, I think he can drop it a little and mess around.

And this will hurt his value to an extent, or at least it'll be very hard to increase it vs the guys on the table for his next fight.

So it's a dilemma in that sense. I think if they take a harder stance to this - the fight probably goes beyond 2019 and it'll never be what it would be.

But if he does, I think Joshua could also be likely to soften his stance on the money part and give Wilder more money - as I think he wants the 'history' fights.

But I think Wilder should be open about changing his stance on the offer, rather than try and say they don't want to fight - because he'll make himself look foolish when the offer is still available.

I suspect Wilder knows he kinda played himself by accepting certain terms in the first place. When they revisit negotiation, he isn't going for the same deal--especially after what just transpired.

I know we've had this conversation before but...I really don't think Joshua calls shots and is in a position to offer Wilder anything. The fact that he's fighting on DAZN next is a sign of that. Sure they probably offered him extra coin but Showtime would have too. In the end, this really benefits Hearn. And that's who calls the shots.

Wilder is just not a very good boxer, period. He's quick, has a good jab, athletic, good ring IQ and insane power. So his fights are typically tense, full of drama and then end in an emphatic KO. People are starting to notice here in the US. and they like that kind of fight. Who wouldn't?

Wilder's star power is growing very quickly. I'm impressed by what's happened over the past few months. If I had to guess, he is going to focus on clearing out everyone available to him and pushing for 50-0. Is it a risk? Sure. It's always a risk. Same for AJ. Actually, even more so since, as you said, Povetkin is probably more dangerous than whoever Wilder fights next.

[yammy25]

What are the odds that its not on DAZN?

When Hearn's receiving the offers from showtime & hbo then he'll know how much to legally outbid with DAZN

Its the hearn show...he wants his fingers in the ppv pie on both sides of the pond

Hearn doesnt control DAZN, he isnt even exclusive for their boxing content.. he has nothing to do with them picking up the WBSS.

It isnt just about who gives him the most money upfront, its about what network has the reach to command the highest figures.

DAZN may bid X for rights.. but fail to provide any extra revenue from subs or not enough in comparison to a smaller or equal bid from showtime or HBO who can offer huge revenue on PPV platform.

He confirmed that he spoke to showtime when they all thought the canelo fight was off and showtime were willing to make the fight PPV.

[S7V7N]

no your point was why sign now when his stock could rise...

my question is how would his stock rise in the interim if he didnt sign the deal.

What does wilder do in the interim provided he doesnt sign for an april fight against joshua that earns him either

A. more than 5 million against that interim opponent

B. allows him to command a higher split against Joshua come April

or both

He doesn't have to do anything except keep defending his title & as time passes your stock naturally rises.

ie...Canelo offered GGG 10% first, then a flat fee a year down the road when he was fighting Smith. What did Golovkin do for his stock to rise? Beat Jacobs in a narrow decision? Yet he still got 30% split. Then drew with Canelo & beat Vanes yet he still got 45%. It's about public perception & the longer time goes on.
Could also bring up May-Pac & how he was KO'd yet still get more dough. It's the demand that raises your stock not just what you do in the ring, but that definitely increases demand as well.

[Kagami Taiga]

Obviously provisions are made to the contract.

come on now.

Provisions for what? What provisions? The type of provisions they'd put in it would essentially make it a worthless contract. Honestly there's zero reason you sign a contract for a fight with so much left undetermined. No1 in this business does that. That's bad business.

[N/A]

So Eddie Hearn has just said that he hasn't withdrawn the 15mil offer and Wilder and his team can still come back with the comments, the changes the everything for the next available date at Wembley in April.

Beautiful propaganda from Hearn. He never wanted this fight next.

Wilder was only willing to take the low ball flat fee if the fight was NEXT.

Now Hearn can brainwash his followers into blaming Wilder for not wanting to accept the low ball flat fee next year.

[LacedUp]

Provisions for what? What provisions? The type of provisions they'd put in it would essentially make it a worthless contract. Honestly there's zero reason you sign a contract for a fight with so much left undetermined. No1 in this business does that. That's bad business.

What is left undetermined exactly? They have the purse, date, venue and tv sorted. All of the terms already agreed to?

So what exactly are you talking about? They accepted these terms!

[yammy25]

He doesn't have to do anything except keep defending his title & as time passes your stock naturally rises.

ie...Canelo offered GGG 10% first, then a flat fee a year down the road when he was fighting Smith. What did Golovkin do for his stock to rise? Beat Jacobs in a narrow decision? Yet he still got 30% split. Then drew with Canelo & beat Vanes yet he still got 45%. It's about public perception & the longer time goes on.
Could also bring up May-Pac & how he was KO'd yet still get more dough. It's the demand that raises your stock not just what you do in the ring, but that definitely increases demand as well.

Im sorry but thats nonsense. You've completely thrown out the time-frame of the deal which makes up this topic and are suggesting that wilder can keep fighting and defending his belts and his stock will rise.

WHo is he going to fight for that stock to rise? Povetkin? what if he loses to joshua.. that wont rise his stock.

Parker? Already lost to joshua.. stock wont rise.
Whyte? Already lost to joshua and turned down his career high payday to fight him already.. stock wont rise.

Rematch Ortiz? an older... even worse blood pressured ortiz? nope.. still cant see that stock rising.

There is literally nothing Wilder can do right now that makes his stock rise further than what it currently is instead of signing this deal to net him the most money he will ever make.

the terms he can command .. will not change. his opponents should he not sign.. will always be of a poor level or opponents AJ has already beaten. that doers not rise stock or better your public perception in this business.

As for Golovkin. beating jacobs was beating the number 3 in the division outside of him and canelo.. he was widely regarded to have won the fight against canelo. Then canelo got popped.. GGG threatened to go to saunders which would have left canelo with whom exactly?

Nobody from PBC would have taken the canelo fight? nobody but golovkin would net canelo anywhere near the gate or PPV revenue? Golovkin beat the best other contender in jacobs and then used the threat to fight the other world champion to garner more of the pot knowing his name brought in a massive sway of the revenue.

Joshua might make more fighting wilder.. but he still makes 20 mil + if he fought a bin man. There is no other world champion for wilder to levy as a perception enhancer by beating.

The simple fact is.. it does not get any better for wilder than the deal being given to him now.

If he is as good as he says he is. he triples his net worth in three fights against a bum of his choice and a robot he thinks is easy pickings.. and becomes to undisputed HW champion

[LacedUp]

I suspect Wilder knows he kinda played himself by accepting certain terms in the first place. When they revisit negotiation, he isn't going for the same deal--especially after what just transpired.

I know we've had this conversation before but...I really don't think Joshua calls shots and is in a position to offer Wilder anything. The fact that he's fighting on DAZN next is a sign of that. Sure they probably offered him extra coin but Showtime would have too. In the end, this really benefits Hearn. And that's who calls the shots.

Wilder is just not a very good boxer, period. He's quick, has a good jab, athletic, good ring IQ and insane power. So his fights are typically tense, full of drama and then end in an emphatic KO. People are starting to notice here in the US. and they like that kind of fight. Who wouldn't?

Wilder's star power is growing very quickly. I'm impressed by what's happened over the past few months. If I had to guess, he is going to focus on clearing out everyone available to him and pushing for 50-0. Is it a risk? Sure. It's always a risk. Same for AJ. Actually, even more so since, as you said, Povetkin is probably more dangerous than whoever Wilder fights next.

Imagine AJ goes out and smashes Povetkin in 4 rounds on American tv again, and Wilder goes and has a back and forth with Breazele. That's a very likely scenario to me. Of course Wilder will win - Hell, I was one of the guys picking Wilder to beat Ortiz from the beginning, I'm a massive fan of his fights. Very exciting.

But I can't see him going back and saying I want a split if that transpires. Or at least getting it accepted. But then again, imagine how much this fight has grown since the Ortiz fight. So maybe another 10 months will add a few zeroes to everyone's number, I don't know. Possibly.

I hope Wilder gets more - He deserves it. But I think he'll find it hard to come out of this situation without publicly stating that he just simply changed his mind on the offer.

He should just come out and say his number is now 25million. The public will demand the fight.

All these things about they didn't want the fight, they are cowards and stuff, honestly, that's pathetic. A quick look over both guys' career shows that AJ is certainly not scared to take risks - As well as Wilder isn't.

I think AJ is in control of his own career. He signed a new deal with matchroom some years ago and I remember they totally changed how the deal worked incl. setting up AJBXNG his management company.