Wilder: I talked to AJ. Showed him things Eddie didn't show him. AJ wants the $50 mil

[Boksfan]

So Wilder showed AJ his manhood and AJ's not impressed?

[yammy25]

There is strong evidence that suggests the filed purses are complete bull****. I don't know what Wilder gets paid and I'm not claiming to know, but Laced Up is claiming to know even though there is absolutely no way he could.

Do you or do you not believe Miguel Cotto was only paid 700,000 for his retirement fight? Because that was his listed purse.

Crawford's listed purse for Horn was $1.75 million even though his Top Rank minimum is 3 million.

Hearn's offer to Broner was publicly mocked, with both Broner and Espinoza saying he's already making more than that.

The Charlos, Berto, and so many other Haymon fighters have laughed at people who refer to the filed purse and claimed they're paid way more.

Spence was widely reported to have been guaranteed 3.5 million for the Peterson fight, despite the purse being listed at 1.2 million.

This stuff goes on all the time. You're never going to know what these guys are really getting.

The same stands for AJ. Sky and matchroom never release numbers for the PPV shows and as per his contract terms AJ owns those shows and all revenue generated minus 20% for matchrooms fee for services rendered.

There's enough rational belief in the money generated or not generated in Wilders case to suggest he is getting paid no more than roughly 4/5 million per fight inclusive of what is not designated. Applying that same rule to AJ through sponsorship of event..gate fee..PPV revenue etc.. the overall point still stands. Wilders overall value and financial rewards reaped..pale in conparison.

Hearn has also payed his fighters a guaranteed purse as per contract for all fights within that contract without even getting to negotiations and / or purse bids so it isn't like Hearn isn't aware that these guys funnel money through marketing or promotional companies.

[LacedUp]

No you don't. Whether he's being pad 1 million or 5 million per fight, you have absolutely no way of knowing.

Yes I do. Because the gate, ratings and purses are all public

So I can make a pretty educated assumption.

[LacedUp]

There is strong evidence that suggests the filed purses are complete bull****. I don't know what Wilder gets paid and I'm not claiming to know, but Laced Up is claiming to know even though there is absolutely no way he could.

Do you or do you not believe Miguel Cotto was only paid 700,000 for his retirement fight? Because that was his listed purse.

Crawford's listed purse for Horn was $1.75 million even though his Top Rank minimum is 3 million.

Hearn's offer to Broner was publicly mocked, with both Broner and Espinoza saying he's already making more than that.

The Charlos, Berto, and so many other Haymon fighters have laughed at people who refer to the filed purse and claimed they're paid way more.

Spence was widely reported to have been guaranteed 3.5 million for the Peterson fight, despite the purse being listed at 1.2 million.

This stuff goes on all the time. You're never going to know what these guys are really getting.

So you're just listing a bunch of rumours and fabricated stuff. You don't any anything.

I'm basing my assumption on the data available - official fight purse, live gate, tv ratings, international tv rights.

You're basing yours on some mythical "extra" hidden purse that someone would pay Wilder. His whole show doesn't even generate 5 million a fight, so how the *** would he get paid 5 million?

Have some common sense.

Next up this guy is going to say he's right because he has "inside information"

[N/A]

The same stands for AJ.

Of course. So if we have no idea what either guy is making, why should we make concrete declarations that we couldn't possibly know if they're true or not?

When Laced Up says AJ made more money in his last fight than Wilder has made in his life, Laced Up literally has no clue if that statement is true or not.

So he should be rightfully called out when he states, as fact, things he doesn't actually know.

[N/A]

I'm basing my assumption on the data available - official fight purse

But the data available strongly suggests official fight purse is meaningless. Unless you really believe Cotto was only paid 700k for his retirement fight?

His whole show doesn't even generate 5 million a fight, so how the *** would he get paid 5 million?

You have no idea what Showtime pays for his fights, let alone the revenue generated by international TV.

How could you possibly know what the overall revenue was for Wilder-Ortiz without knowing what the TV license fees were?

[N/A]

Yes I do. Because the gate, ratings and purses are all public

So I can make a pretty educated assumption.

The TV license fees, both domestic and international, are not public and the vast majority of the revenue is generated by TV rights. So you're missing the most critical component and making the most uneducated assumption possibly.

Even the ratings are a waste of time as Showtime has millions of subscribers that are counted by the ratings. Unlike HBO, Showtime allows their fights to be streamed live online. HBO doesn't allow it because it isn't counted by Nielsen. Showtime doesn't care and allows it anyway. So the public ratings for Showtime are wildly misleading because Showtime allows live viewing on Showtime Anytime, the Showtime app, etc. Something HBO doesn't allow.

[LacedUp]

But the data available strongly suggests official fight purse is meaningless. Unless you really believe Cotto was only paid 700k for his retirement fight?

You have no idea what Showtime pays for his fights, let alone the revenue generated by international TV.

How could you possibly know what the overall revenue was for Wilder-Ortiz without knowing what the TV license fees were?

Yes I do know.

Because I know Froch Groves II for example only made €580.000 on international tv which was PPV, far bigger fight than any of Wilder's fights + Wilder's fights aren't on PPV neither in the states nor internationally.

It doesn't suggest the purse is meaningless - It gives us a good indication.

[LacedUp]

The TV license fees, both domestic and international, are not public and the vast majority of the revenue is generated by TV rights. So you're missing the most critical component and making the most uneducated assumption possibly.

Even the ratings are a waste of time as Showtime has millions of subscribers that are counted by the ratings. Unlike HBO, Showtime allows their fights to be streamed live online. HBO doesn't allow it because it isn't counted by Nielsen. Showtime doesn't care and allows it anyway. So the public ratings for Showtime are wildly misleading because Showtime allows live viewing on Showtime Anytime, the Showtime app, etc. Something HBO doesn't allow.

Yes local tv rights, not international. It's hardly a needle mover, especially for Deontay Wilder who's not a star in america or anywhere else.

His purse reflects what he brings to the table. That should be logical for a promoter like you

His gates barely crack 7 figures

[N/A]

Yes I do know.

Because I know Froch Groves II for example only made €580.000 on international tv which was PPV, far bigger fight than any of Wilder's fights + Wilder's fights aren't on PPV neither in the states nor internationally.

It doesn't suggest the purse is meaningless - It gives us a good indication.

Why are you refusing to answer whether you believe Cotto was only paid 700k for his retirement fight?

You literally have no idea what Showtime pays for Wilder's fights. So when you say Wilder's fights generate less than 5 million over all, you have no clue whether that's true. You repeatedly state things, as fact, that you couldn't possibly know what the truth is. What does that say about your credibility?