How would you honestly rate Golovkin?

[Scipio2009]

Between your Madden reference and Joe Frazier comments you sound like a millennial.

Gatti!?? LOL! That boy was destroyed 5 years earlier in his career by DLH. In fact stopped earlier. And that was before his wars with Ward. Bringing up Gatti, oh brother.

My point is many of not most of these A fighters that Floyd faced weren’t fighting at 90+ level when Floyd fought them. You throw up their names but fail to mention post Castillo few of them were in their prime or even near prime.

Floyd is a great fighter, one of the best. His resume is excellent but also overrated when people put it on this crazy pedestal, especially after Castillo (who I believe beat him in the first fight). Lots of great names but names who’s rep exceeded the fighter he actually faced. I mean hell you are actually throwing guys up like Gatti and Judah. DLH is a classic example. The DLH he faced was so far past his prime. Yet people will throw that name up there like it was a significant accomplishment. Same holds true of Pac destroying DLH. Please. Old man Whitaker’s performance vs. prime DLH in controversial defeat was more impressive than what Floyd did.

If there is one thing Floyd did that is undeniable is he made money. Can’t argue that anyone did it any better. IN that I’ll give him a 100/100. A combination of talent, promotion and luck came together and made him a cash king.

I don't care about Gatti, but that's not the point you're trying to spin so whatever. Any honest look at Gatti's stance when he fought Floyd would put him, on the Madden scale, at maybe 81-78 RB (a C+ player; good enough to be on a team, but generally not a back you'd have carrying the load).

Floyd Mayweather Jr, 16 months removed from ruling 135 and after ruling 130, shows up and makes Gatti, a rugged with an easy 10 years of fighting solid fighters as a pro, look like he'd never been in a boxing ring before.

Floyd was fast, Floyd was strong, Floyd was smart, and Floyd laid an utter beating on Gatti without Gatti really even landing a glove on him. Floyd was a 99 that night.


The opponent can be as good as they want to be; if they can't barely even lay a hand on Floyd, Floyd's ability level is world's beyond who he was facing, who have basically been good to great fighters since he fought Genaro Hernandez.

It's clear that you're too old to even fathom Madden, so I'll try a different tact.

Michael Jordan, in his prime, was arguably the best basketball player to ever put on sneakers. If you were to have played him 1-on-1 to 21, he'd likely beat you every time. Quibble about where Jordan's peak was if you want, but let's use the 92-93 season for argument's sake.

He'd beat a 5th and 8th grade star 21-0, he beats the 1992 high School POY (Jason Kidd) 21-0, beats the 1992 College POY (Christian Laettner) 21-2, does any NBA old timer the same way, and likely beats everyone that was in the 1992 All Star game with him.

You could see how special a player Jordan was, regardless of who he was playing.

[DreamFighter]

The great thing about GGG is that he's always fought at 160. So he ranks in the top twenty at least as far as middleweights. In fact, I'd say he's top ten, given his accomplishments. His resume is lacking in names although a solid win in Spetember over Canelo is very respectable. Throw in a BJS and a Jacobs rematch and a win over Charlo and he's golden imo. He fought for a long time to get the big dogs. Now we see what he's made of...at 36. Too bad he couldn't have fought them sooner.

Still, top ten ATG middleweight imo.

so, you are actually basing his ranking on fights he hasnt had?

[TheReadyTimeBoy]

An excellent fighter.

Fans who have never boxed can't notice the little stuff golovkin does. His footwork, feints and control of distance is all unbelievable.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

so, you are actually basing his ranking on fights he hasnt had?

So you actually comment on posts without comprehending them?

[Rubber Ducky]

Great but also flawed fighter. He benefited from a weak middleweight era and he luckily never had to face a real elite boxer who could expose his deficiencies. Canelo is the closest to a top level elite boxer he faced but he didn't have the work rate to fully capitalise on his advantages.

But Golovkin has been dominant for a long time and his strengths are obvious to all, immense power, ability to cut off the ring well, body punching, chin that could survive a nuclear level detonation unscathed. Any fighter that has been dominant for so long even in a weak era has to be seen as a great, consistency counts for something.

He falls short of the achievements of some of the other great middleweights because he either doesn't have the resume they had or he failed to go up and show how good he really in a higher weight class against better comp. But he still has time, I think he could easily move up and dominate super middle.

[DreamFighter]

So you actually comment on posts without comprehending them?

ah thats fine then, nice one if I missed the important bit.

Just wondering why non-events were being used in his assessment.

[sunny31]

In reality, Golovkin is quite basic for how much credit he gets. I would say his abilities liken more to a B level fighter, but he has A level power, and some A level intangibles.

Danny Jacobs is a B+ fighter all day, and he more or less fought to par with GGG.

Canelo is probably the opposite to GGG, A- abilty, but his stamina and some intangibles probably drop into the B's. I also think GGG has natural size on Canelo which tips the scales in his direction further (mind the pun)

Overall Golovkin is A- to me, he is limited, but overall a very difficult package to beat, and a great fighter.

I think if he came across a true A level fighter with all round abilities, there is a potential that he could lose in a one sided fashion due to his limitations, which would include; lack of speed, defence, and variation, but we are talking at a truly elite level. Think prime Hopkins.

[bluebeam]

He fkn beat them both but he didn't separate himself? That's bad math there buddy

people think he lost both fights. so he didnr seperate himself.

i guess pacquiao seperated himself from marquez in your mind after pacquiao won the 2nd and 3rd marquez fights too huh?

[Boxing Goat]

Who talked about 'A' fighter and ATG fighter? I was just scoring Golovkin in relation to all boxers.

To call him a 'B' fighter is ******ed for obvious reasons. End of discussion.

[Boxing Goat]

Teddy Atlas has no qualms marvelling at Lomachenko, because he's going off of what he's seeing with his eyes (I think he oversells it a bit, especially with Lomachenko being a bit stifled when you don't open up for him, but that can be argued).

Not for a moment have you ever seen him gush over Golovkin anywhere near how he's gushed over Lomachenko or Crawford or Ward or Mayweather.

And that's without really looking into it, lol

Who cares if one expert out of hundreds doesn't 'gush' over GGG? In fact he's the reason that he's not P4P no.1 in the ESPN rankings. Who in their right mind would rank GGG below 5th in the P4P rankings? That's moronic and you give a moronic argument.