Exactly how many defenses does TripleG have?

[S7V7N]

Depends how you reckon it. I say 15 (or whatever it is now). I count the WBA World title towards defenses unless there is also an incumbent 'super' champion in which case that takes precedence.

If you count only the 'super' title you also have to - for the sake of consistency - derecognise all the regular titlists in all divisions since 2001 when the super title was conceived. Linares, Maidana and many others are effectively written out of the title record. I understand the desire by some to say that the 'super' title is the only 'real' one but this assumes that the WBA are logical, fair and consistent in the manner in which they bestow titles, when in fact they are anything but. One only has to look to the Sturm - Golovkin, Sturm - Chudinov and recent Davis / Machado situations to get an idea of how full of **** they really are.

On top of which the argument that the 'Super' title should be 'won' in the ring doesn't hold water and any kind of examination of their own rules shows exactly how full of BS the WBA actually are. As originally conceived the 'super' was just a special modification of the world title to reduce the burden of mandatory defenses on unified champions introduced in 2001. In 2009/10 this was changed to include World champions with 5 or more defenses and the requirement to be unified was dropped (this effected precisely one fighter - Felix Sturm). The current rules simply state that the super title is granted to regular titlists with 5 or more defenses - hence Geale (who was neither unified nor had 5 defenses) was ineligible. Curiously Golovkin - who had 5 defenses at the time Sturm lost to Geale was not elevated at that time as he should have been according to the WBAs own rules... go figure.

EDIT: Amusingly there is absolutely nothing in the WBAs rules which precludes them from having multiple 'super' champions simultaneously, which goes to show just how farcical the designation really is.

Great explanation & sound reasoning here!

Funny how the WBA re-wrote it's rules to benefit Sturm who was not a unified champ in order to elevate him & avoid Gennady. Sturm was also partially responsible for Taylor being stripped for the Winky fight. Yet some use him as the example why Golovkin shouldn't have those defenses counted?

I can understand 15 defenses in some people's thinking but to not count them from when Geale was stripped & Gennady was the sole champ is kind of ridiculous.

Be so much easier to weed through all of this if there wasn't so much corruption going on that caused this whole fiasco to even happen.

"It is my understanding that there was a request by representatives of Felix Sturm questioning whether Taylor had met all the requirements necessary to be the unified champion,"

"Sturm first approached Oner and was looking for help to find a loophole to prevent a match with Golovkin. Oner put Sturm in touch with a third party. The third party told Sturm that he could pay the WBA a sum of money to make him the "super champion" and prevent the mandatory fight with Golovkin."

[DreamFighter]

[QUOTE=S7V7N;18872092]Sturm won the exact same title that Golovkin did. [URL="http://boxrec.s. Let's just be consistent no matter what your stance is.[/QUOTE]

Was superchamp introduced during felix reign or not? thats waht this depends on. Sturm may have been the full on ONLY WBA champ earlier than his promotion.


If not then sure he has 5, awesome news, man, better for GGG.

[S7V7N]

Was superchamp introduced during felix reign or not? thats waht this depends on. Sturm may have been the full on ONLY WBA champ earlier than his promotion.

If not then sure he has 5, awesome news, man, better for GGG.

If you'd read the previous quote or check the link you'd know that it was introduced for Trinidad for his very first defense against Hopkins 9 years prior. Nevermind, can't waste time if people aren't even willing to post facts & just pull shyt out of their ass. You already said Golovkin only has 10 defenses & used Sturm to justify it yet he has even less Super defenses. The point here is that WBA & every other sanctioning body recognizes the WBA regular as a world champion. This is why they are not included in other ABC belts rankings & is considered a unification if they fight one another.

ie..Canelo Drops, Decisions Trout To Unify WBC/WBA Belts

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'bout tree fiddy

[DreamFighter]

If you'd read

so its 5 defences ok, unless he was the only title holder.

If he was the only WBA title holder for his early ones then its that 10/11 whatever.

thers just one title, thats all, dont fake it anymore.

[Leonis]

how many does bhop have would be a more appropriate question seen as everybody is counting a no contest as a successful defence

hehe.. true! whats more is that he probably jumped out of the ring intentionaly when he felt like it wasnt his day lol

[Leonis]

so its 5 defences ok, unless he was the only title holder.

If he was the only WBA title holder for his early ones then its that 10/11 whatever.

thers just one title, thats all, dont fake it anymore.

20 defences recognised by everybody except for some wakos like you lol

[DreamFighter]

20 defences recognised by everybody except for some wakos like you lol

so the majority of the posters here are wacos, ok if thats your definition I am in the majority.