Comments Thread For: WBC Prez Crossing Fingers That Canelo-Golovkin II Gets Done

[Verus]

Or he can get b-side money, and his full purse for the canceled canelo fight.

This negotiation is all about golden boy making the financial rewards of a rematch outweight the financial rewards of suing them for lost earnings as a result of canelo's failed tests.

There is also the fact that most people thing GGG won the first fight, and now with Canelo testing positive, people are less interested in seeing the rematch.

I know I have no interest in seeing it. Canelo didn't solve any riddles as the fight went on, GGG only found his timing.

Usually with fights like that, where one fighters figured out another one, the guy that did the figuring out has a very easy time in the second outing.

Also, I think Canelo already reached peoples bull**** threshold in the lead up to the first fight when he won the title from Cotto, then said he would fight GGG next, then vacated the title instead.

Nobody wants to see him get another shot at GGG after testing positive for PEDs at this point.

People do like seeing GGG get knockouts though, and seeing him in tough, and the division is really heating up right now, and GGG doesn't have the time to cater to Canelo.

So why fight Canelo when you can fight other people, make money, and sue Canelo and get paid for the rematch that never happened at the same time?

"This negotiation is all about golden boy making the financial rewards of a rematch outweight the financial rewards of suing them for lost earnings as a result of canelo's failed tests."

Don't know the particulars of their contract, but I don't see how Golovkin can prevail in a lawsuit. GGG has lost nothing because of Canelo's actions. Canelo has agreed to fight GGG in September under the same contractual arrangement that GGG and Canelo signed for the canceled Cinco de Mayo fight. You can even make a case that GGG comes out ahead because he did fight in May and earned money in that fight and stands to be made whole if he fights Canelo in September under the exact same financial conditions as the May contract.

If GGG's lawyers have reason to believe that they can make a strong case in court, I would think that they would have filed a lawsuit already, if for no other reason than to put pressure on Canelo to accept the 50/50 split that Govolkin demands.

[MDPopescu]

"This negotiation is all about golden boy making the financial rewards of a rematch outweight the financial rewards of suing them for lost earnings as a result of canelo's failed tests."

Don't know the particulars of their contract, but I don't see how Golovkin can prevail in a lawsuit. GGG has lost nothing because of Canelo's actions. Canelo has agreed to fight GGG in September under the same contractual arrangement that GGG and Canelo signed for the canceled Cinco de Mayo fight. You can even make a case that GGG comes out ahead because he did fight in May and earned money in that fight and stands to be made whole if he fights Canelo in September under the exact same financial conditions as the May contract.

If GGG's lawyers have reason to believe that they can make a strong case in court, I would think that they would have filed a lawsuit already, if for no other reason than to put pressure on Canelo to accept the 50/50 split that Govolkin demands.

... tell me you're just kidding...

[Usetoloveboxing]

The WBC, WBA, and IBF have an agreement to rotate their mandatory defenses. Golovkin-Alvarez was the WBC's mandatory. The IBF was next but since it made sense for everyone (with everyone also getting paid), they chose to wait on calling their mandatory to facilitate making Golovkin-Alvarez 2.

The WBC can't simply have two mandatory defenses straight away, unless they'd simply swear off the rotation system that may actually clear things up for the sport.

Nice to see you on this forum. Thank you for explaining the WBC mandatory to these guys. I read these posts and the lack of comprehension to the mandatory defense situation for Golovkin, and just smh. I guess people need to dislike someone to make their life complete,

[Lou76]

Winner takes all

Why doesn't canelo give ggg the same deal he tried to give Chavez Jr. Winner takes all. He doesn't have the confidence like he did with chavez.

[Vlad_]

He should cross all five, and shove them right up Oscar’s ass, so they could Kumbaya together, while licking Canelo’s nutsack.

[!! Shawn]

"This negotiation is all about golden boy making the financial rewards of a rematch outweight the financial rewards of suing them for lost earnings as a result of canelo's failed tests."

Don't know the particulars of their contract, but I don't see how Golovkin can prevail in a lawsuit. GGG has lost nothing because of Canelo's actions. Canelo has agreed to fight GGG in September under the same contractual arrangement that GGG and Canelo signed for the canceled Cinco de Mayo fight. You can even make a case that GGG comes out ahead because he did fight in May and earned money in that fight and stands to be made whole if he fights Canelo in September under the exact same financial conditions as the May contract.

If GGG's lawyers have reason to believe that they can make a strong case in court, I would think that they would have filed a lawsuit already, if for no other reason than to put pressure on Canelo to accept the 50/50 split that Govolkin demands.

Every single lawsuit that has been brought forwards in the last few years against a fighter who failed a prefight drug screening has resulted in the fighter who sued receiving their entire purse in damages or more.

There is now legal precedent firmly established, meaning that the lawsuit would be very very likely to end up in favor of GGG.

[Verus]

Every single lawsuit that has been brought forwards in the last few years against a fighter who failed a prefight drug screening has resulted in the fighter who sued receiving their entire purse in damages or more.

There is now legal precedent firmly established, meaning that the lawsuit would be very very likely to end up in favor of GGG.

If that is the case, then the rational move would be for Golovkin to sue and receive the expected earnings and without even having to fight Canelo Alvarez. Not to do so makes no sense. The options are: sue Canelo and receive around $20 million plus damages; don't sue and negotiate a better deal and fight in September, don't sue and fail to reach an agreement for September and receive nothing; don't sue and accept the terms previously agreed to and fight in September. Again, if you are right the best course for Golovkin is to sue, get around $20 million for not fighting and fight someone else in the fall and make more money.

[sucra]

It's a lose lose for ggg. Either ggg fights Charlo and lose his WBA and IBF, or He fights Dervanchenko and loses his WBC and WBA, or He fights Daniel Jacobs and loses his WBC and WBA. He best bet is to take 35% for Canelo.

he's not losing any of his titles no matter who he fights, especially not the wbc. if the wbc strips ggg at this point after all this canelo bs it will be rocchigianni all over again.

[aboutfkntime]

I don't think GGG is destined to lose to Charlo & Derevyanchenko. I think they are for real doe & I certainly don't hate their chances vs GGG. Both are still relatively unproven. GGG has a wealth of experience to draw upon now & that could be the difference vs either of these guys.

That said you aren't wrong this isn't REALLY a hard decision business-wise. You get B side money for a huge fight that most people feel you won so could end up winning legit this time or could be a third big money fight after this fight. OR you go fight two young hungry killas trying to make a name for themselves who might be overrated or might be the next GGG themselves AND you aren't getting paid like they are the next GGG if they do happen to be exactly that.

So wtf Tommy & Gennady. Quit being f#ckheads & take the money & go for the historical moment vs the face of boxing in this current era. Get your stoopid egos out of it.

" ego ", really ?

who's ego selected Vanes ?

who's ego prevented them from selecting Saunders..... either for June, or September?

FACT: demanding 50% is ABSURD.....

..... so, killing that fight over an absurd demand..... is an intentional act, not an emotional act

they clearly want to delay/defer Gennady's retirement payday from Canelo..... to enable them to select yet another no-hoper..... so that Gennady can break Hopkins record, without breaking a sweat

why else would they refuse to accept 35%, despite already accepting that same split, killing that fight in the process..... and why else would they embarrass themselves by selecting Vanes, when there were MUCH better fighters available..... and why else would they totally ignore Saundersm despite the fact that he is running around with Golovkin's "dream"?

FACT: Golovkin could have fought Saunders in June, unifying the division..... which would then leave him free to dump ALL of the belts and fight whoever he wants..... because, mission accomplished..... right?

which would have left him free to fight Canelo/whoever

come on man, it is pretty obvious whats up

Team Easy-Way-Out..... doing their thang since 2010 lol