Comments Thread For: Hearn: I Want To Know This Week If Wilder Wants The Fight

[Laligalaliga]

Wilder himself don't want no smoke. It's easy to say I can fight anywhere, it's not about the money. Now is the time to prove it.

[Laligalaliga]

Isn't it AJ *****ing out since he said he'd sign tomorrow if offered 50 million and now he's refusing to keep his word?

didn't wilder said he will fight anywhere, it's about the money.

[Laligalaliga]

Wilders team offers them 50 million and they said they want to do it in the U.K. . If that’s the case, offer Deontay more than 12 million because we all know that’s not a fair split.

am sure they must have resolved that. location is the challenge now.

[Holler]

This is crazy talk, what other opponent would be worthy of a Vegas fight after he beats Wilder. Dude should be eager to fight there even if it meant taking a slight loss on his regular earningsv

Genuine question... Why? This is someone who fights in front of 90,000 passionate supporters in the national stadium. Why would he be eager to take a cut in earnings to fight in front of 14,000 apathetic high rollers on the other side of the world?

I mean I get there's still a little romanticism around certain venues globally, headlining at the Garden, maybe Caesars Palace just because of the fighters that appeared there, but the glory days of boxing in Vegas look a long time gone from here, the modern venues are a bit bland, the crowd disinterested and that's before you get into Adalaide Byrd and related worries.

I'm not convinced the lure is what it was is my basic point?

[saintpat]

Genuine question... Why? This is someone who fights in front of 90,000 passionate supporters in the national stadium. Why would he be eager to take a cut in earnings to fight in front of 14,000 apathetic high rollers on the other side of the world?

I mean I get there's still a little romanticism around certain venues globally, headlining at the Garden, maybe Caesars Palace just because of the fighters that appeared there, but the glory days of boxing in Vegas look a long time gone from here, the modern venues are a bit bland, the crowd disinterested and that's before you get into Adalaide Byrd and related worries.

I'm not convinced the lure is what it was is my basic point?

How is $50M a cut in earnings?

This is his chance to add the American market — where the real PPV money resides —and make himself a worldwide star.

Those 70K crowds include a lot who pay $25. Same as they charge for PPV in the UK — after the PPV server gets paid, it’s probably $10-12 that goes to the promoter. In the US they charge considerably more and the door is wide open for a new No. 1 star to fill the Floyd void.

[Removed Now]

How would Nigeria be neutral then?

You don't know Deontay ancestry background. notice in my first statement . They both have African "decent". There's a good chance Deontay has west African background . Plus Nigeria has a lot of wealthy people to support the fight . Of course the brits will come also ......

[Holler]

How is $50M a cut in earnings?

This is his chance to add the American market — where the real PPV money resides —and make himself a worldwide star.

Those 70K crowds include a lot who pay $25. Same as they charge for PPV in the UK — after the PPV server gets paid, it’s probably $10-12 that goes to the promoter. In the US they charge considerably more and the door is wide open for a new No. 1 star to fill the Floyd void.

If you look at my post Saintpat you'll see I was replying to ScottWeiland's point here:

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...&postcount=186

He was arguing that Joshua should want to fight in Vegas even if it were for less money.

I appreciate that revenues are higher there and if I were AJ's commercial manager I'd love for him to conquer the US market. I do understand the reluctance from the sporting side however.

[peplz]

Unless I misunderstood. You said you’re don’t think anyone would guarantee AJ $50M. And by all accounts, the $50M guarantee appears to be legit. AJ has simply moved the bar again. Now the fight being in the U.K. is more important than the $50M guarantee he asked for.

And for the record, I think the $50M guarantee is the greatest bluff in boxing, if not sports history. Because you have two unknown commodities in teems of US PPV depending on a lot of PPV sales for revenue. So it’s very possible that Wilder could damn near be taking that fight for free once AJ gets his guarantee and his investors get their cuts. I think the offer was legit. But I think Wilder made the offer fully expecting AJ not to accept. Mostly to shed light on who’s really keeping the fight from happening.

Yeah you definitely misunderstood. I was just answering your question as to who else would be able to guarantee him 50 million. And I don't think anyone would. I think it doesn't make much sense for either fighter to be getting paid that much. They aren't doing those kinds of numbers yet. Anthony Joshua made a statement to the media about being willing to fight for half of the amount that Finkel and Wilder were claiming the fight was worth. So Wilder uses Joshua's statement in the media as real negotiations which is just a game of trying to one up the opposing side in the public eye. Anthony Joshua and Edddie Hearn don't seem to have ever believed that the fight was worth 100 million dollars. And Joshua made the 50 million statement in an interview to highlight the fact he and Hearn didn't believe that the 100 million dollar narrative was an honest one. We all know this is the context in which 50 million dollars is conveniently being depicted as a real contractual demand which it is not and never was. Taking things out of context and running with them is very tricky and deceptive. It seems like the tricky and deceptive route is the route of choice for Deontay Wilder. He just wants to put on a show for the media and try to manipulate public perception to promote himself. Which is basically what you are saying he is doing. You just seem to have a more favorable view of these tactics than I do.

[peplz]

You don't know Deontay ancestry background. notice in my first statement . They both have African "decent". There's a good chance Deontay has west African background . Plus Nigeria has a lot of wealthy people to support the fight . Of course the brits will come also ......

Lol. Okay I hear you. I bet Anthony Joshua wouldn't mind. Not sure how Deontay Wilder would feel about that though.

[NearHypnos]

How is $50M a cut in earnings?

This is his chance to add the American market — where the real PPV money resides —and make himself a worldwide star.

Those 70K crowds include a lot who pay $25. Same as they charge for PPV in the UK — after the PPV server gets paid, it’s probably $10-12 that goes to the promoter. In the US they charge considerably more and the door is wide open for a new No. 1 star to fill the Floyd void.

You’re living in a fantasy world if you think Joshua just comes to fight the very (not) famous Wilder in vegas and becomes a “worldwide star”. He’s already a star. He’s already making vastly larger amounts of money than anyone not named Canelo. “Real ppv money”? Get real. Floyd is unique and Joshua is making a lot more at a younger age and thats without having the huge names of Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao, or De La Hoya, Conor. He never sold that well alone but he was also his own promoter. VERY different situations. Floyd is also American.

Anthony Joshua only had Wlad and is single handedly carrying events making like 15mil a fight. Selling 1.5mil ppvs, etc

He’s taking (speculating) what we THINK is a big paycut but really, beating Wilder in his own home would be huge and make him an astronomical star there. And if he beats fury? Good luck finding a more ideal situation for any athlete in any sport. Beating Wilder in the US is less meaningful. It’s a bigger deal if Wilder wins...for Wilder. The few people who know of Wilder will still know Aj beat him despite the location.


We need to get over it. There are fighters who dont need America, especially heavyweights or some of the uk guys