Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury: I'm Determined To Destroy Wilder and Joshua!

[sportbuddha]

I think Fury's style for Joshua is alllll wrong man. Josh struggles with guys who move, I mean, he struggled to close the gap on Takam and Parker and they are hardly fleet of foot. Fury dances around him all fight.

AJ's attacks are good when he has someone stood there for him but he's pretty uncreative with his attacks and anyone who has angles, footwork and defence will cause him issues because he barely has any feints and doesn't really get into range that quickly. The two times he landed on Klitschko were right at the start of the rounds when he bum rushed him, the entire rest of the fight he was struggling big time to land anything.

Sorry this is a long response, but I think your response worthy of some substance.

Firstly, I am assuming we'll never again see the same Fury we did against Wlad. Partly because of the big lay off, but also because I believe he's got a psych condition that means you never really know which Fury will turn up. That night against Wlad it all came together for him, it really is a lottery if that'll happen again imho.

Okay, so let me hold that assumption for a second and instead think about what an average performance looks like from both men. As an average I think AJ is more capable. I see it being much like the Parker fight, Fury is better defensively, but he defends mostly with footwork, although not exactly the way Parker does, its the same principle. It won't be an explosive fight, it'll get messy, they'll get tied up a lot and in the end I think Joshua will land more solid shots and get the decision. I believe here AJ's disciplined boxing style is more effective, just in the same reason I think Wlad would have dealt with Fury better in his younger years, with faster reactions and counters. AJ is in those prime years.

Wilder vs Fury, now this one is more interesting because Wilder relies on being unorthodox, he throws shots from odd angles and is often off balance. I think this is tailor made for Fury whose ring IQ is soo high that'll he'll exploit Wilders fundamental boxing errors, he won't KO him, but he'll frustrate and pot shot him all night.

So, now you might be thinking, so how do I think Fury could not exploit AJ's seemingly robotic boxing in the same way as he would Wilder? This many might disagree with, but for me it's simple. AJ's boxing fundamentals are the best in the HW division. He does subtle hand defences and stays off the line of punches very well, his distance control is excellent, he's very strong in the clinch and he listens to his corner (then there's his power, which is very effective). Think about it like this, people criticise his Takam and Parker performances, but put aside his KO victories for a second, how many rounds of boxing has he actually lost? In all 21 fights, trust me, its not many, because his boxing his solid.

[Jkp]

He’s a nightmare for Wilder, less so for Joshua. Btw: that doesn’t also mean AJ is better than Wilder, it’s a styles thing, Wilder wouldn’t have a clue what to do with Fury but Joshua is just that bit more flat footed and lacks defensive skills of Fury. However, against AJ I think Fury is going to meet boxing with boxing and personally I think AJ hurts Fury too many times and can probably take Fury’s power.

I have it like this...

AJ vs Wilder 49/51%
AJ vs Fury 60/40%
Wilder vs Fury 40/60%

Robotic Anthony Johnson struggles with anyone who moves like a boxer. Look at the takam fight, he struggled with this unprepared midget. and couldnt hit parker who has a few inches short arm reach. Imagine whats going to happen against a 6'9 Fury with movement.

There is a good reason he has been matched up against slow plodding heavys like Brezeale.

[sportbuddha]

Robotic Anthony Johnson struggles with anyone who moves like a boxer. Look at the takam fight, he struggled with this unprepared midget. and couldnt hit parker who has a few inches short arm reach. Imagine whats going to happen against a 6'9 Fury with movement.

There is a good reason he has been matched up against slow plodding heavys like Brezeale.

Struggled? How many rounds did he lose to Takam?

You might want to watch a few more of Fury's fights, he's had far less convincing wins than AJ has had against lower ranked opponents. It's fine to not like AJ, but the evidence is he wins a lot a of rounds.

[The plunger man]

He will get mullered by joshua and wilder and any fan thnks he can win those fights is either clueless or simply a *****......stefan seferi for christ sake.
Its all smoke and mirrors with fury

[alexjust]

If he beats both, he’s a head of Lennox and Holyfield but still behind foremen and Larry homes in my book. IMO.

By this logic if Fury beats Wilder and then AJ beats Fury, AJ will belong on the list above Lewis? Just checking. I do rate AJ highly, btw, and IMO, if he learns from Wlad's mistakes and continues to improve, he has the potential to surpass Klitschko's record and end up in top 10-15.

[What up]

Hope he is not all mouth like Joshua

[Eddy Current]

Fury can definitely beat Anthony Johnson

[Holler]

Firstly, I am assuming we'll never again see the same Fury we did against Wlad. Partly because of the big lay off, but also because I believe he's got a psych condition that means you never really know which Fury will turn up. That night against Wlad it all came together for him, it really is a lottery if that'll happen again imho.

A very good post. I thought this was a particularly interesting point.

Much is made of Fury's physical fitness, obviously he had a lot of weight to shift and that could come back to haunt him down the line. Far less is said about his mental health.

I like Tyson F for all his faults, but when he's interviewed beneath the bluster and bravado there seems a vulnerability. Is there perhaps a strain from embodying the persona that he's adopted and feels that he has to live up to?

He rapidly disintegrated after the Dusseldorf victory. Yes there was the drug test and the non sporting media storm that engulfed him and that would've created a massive strain. Even so, if you think about how disciplined the guys at the top are then even the scrutiny during the buildup to a big fight could prove destabilising for Fury.

I don't know what it is, but I think there's a vulnerability that you don't often see in elite level boxers.

[Laligalaliga]

Robotic Anthony Johnson struggles with anyone who moves like a boxer. Look at the takam fight, he struggled with this unprepared midget. and couldnt hit parker who has a few inches short arm reach. Imagine whats going to happen against a 6'9 Fury with movement.

There is a good reason he has been matched up against slow plodding heavys like Brezeale.

smiles, now you think breazeale is whack but 5000boxing think he is an all time great in the US.
the guy is a fvvking bum.

[Oshio]

Fury should be fighting folks like Bellew, Miller for a come back, not cruiserweights