Anyone seen Wilder in person?

[Willy Wanker]

Cool pics man.

[Curt Henning]

I don't disagree that America is the place to be if you are a talented athlete.

I just don't like the argument that "hey if they went into boxing" everyone can say that.

I'm a Ukrainian living in Canada now. I grew up with some big strong kids back there, but there was no where for them to go in a small town, most ended up doing construction work overseas. Only recently more and more are getting into boxing for example, but still in the big cities if you are a big lad they'll probably throw you into lifting, and it shows most of these guys end up at the Olympics winning medals or in some strong man type of stuff.

There is no grid iron, the basketball league is a joke. There is only one sport in the country, soccer.

Now I'm thinking, if Ukraine had grid iron, and programs to throw money at these kids.

Now look at a place like Russia, they got a population 4x that of Ukraine. Looked up a few youtube channels, lifting channels, they got some giants there doing nothing but lifting weights...Talent pool is huge.

What I'm saying is that America is not the only place where there are a lot of "potential" heavyweight boxers.

im well aware that EE has some big, strong, fellas...while im not weightlifting expert I realize there are a bunch of great powerlifters over there......but being super strong and bulky is not good for boxing....you need superior athleticism and fast twitch muscles

im sure that there are guys from other countries, who at a young age, trained to be American footballers would probably be very good..on the right regimen and understanding technique...and they probably don't get those opportunities....but the way you paint it would appear they are doomed by circumstance anyway

over here americans have the opportunities...they just shy away from boxing because its harder to become a star and make big money in boxing now than compared to the 90s when the heavies were making big money

[Armchairhero]

and some of these UK dweebs dont understand how much HW talent there would be from the US if it werent for that sport

No hand egg ball in the 60’s & 70’s then..

How about if Europe didn’t play football and rugby, we’d have every belt🙄

[GGG Gloveking]

No hand egg ball in the 60’s & 70’s then..

How about if Europe didn’t play football and rugby, we’d have every belt🙄

No you wouldn't. You'd have a bunch of little dudes getting beat by Americans

[Armchairhero]

No you wouldn't. You'd have a bunch of little dudes getting beat by Americans

Yeh, you guys rule every weight class 🤥

[Banderivets]

im well aware that EE has some big, strong, fellas...while im not weightlifting expert I realize there are a bunch of great powerlifters over there......but being super strong and bulky is not good for boxing....you need superior athleticism and fast twitch muscles

im sure that there are guys from other countries, who at a young age, trained to be American footballers would probably be very good..on the right regimen and understanding technique...and they probably don't get those opportunities....but the way you paint it would appear they are doomed by circumstance anyway

over here americans have the opportunities...they just shy away from boxing because its harder to become a star and make big money in boxing now than compared to the 90s when the heavies were making big money

Agreed with the most.

Except one thing...the whole fast twitch muscle thing.

And here is why...Olympic and powerlifting is ALL 100% about fast twitch muscle fiber.

But why is it, when you see a Gary Russel or Loma people say "these guys are laced with fast twitch muscle" but when you see this guy


People don't assume fast twitch, even though that man in particular has more "fast twitch" muscle fiber then most guys on an NFL grid.

Athleticism is - the physical qualities that are characteristic of athletes, such as strength, fitness, and agility.

I think in North America the onus with "athleticism" is on agility.

Where say in the former Soviet Union "athleticism" is associated more with strength just fyi in Russian and Ukrainian lifting sports are refereed to as "heavy athletics" and track and field is called "light athletics".

I think NFL and America by and large produce the best all around athletes, and by that I mean good balance of agility, fitness and strength, because that is what the sport requires. Its a good middle ground.

Where over there, you don't have that middle ground. You have by and large soccer, which requires agility and fitness and basically Olympic lifting which is heavily skewed towards strength.

What I am getting to that much of all this talk about fast twitch, slow twitch, anthropometry of the populations etc are a product of culture and environment than some population specific biological factors.

In that case yes I agree, all these American athletes will go into football first because it makes the most financial sense, the odds of success are higher. So yes, they are shying away from boxing.

Where in EE for example, more and more potential athletes are looking to combat sports because that is where they feel they have an opportunity. A few guys paved the way for them and are showing them that it can be done.

But here it all ends I think. American's don't want to box anymore, and no one else plays football...all of the talk about "what if" and "potential" is kinda moot...

[Curt Henning]

Agreed with the most.

Except one thing...the whole fast twitch muscle thing.

And here is why...Olympic and powerlifting is ALL 100% about fast twitch muscle fiber.

But why is it, when you see a Gary Russel or Loma people say "these guys are laced with fast twitch muscle" but when you see this guy


People don't assume fast twitch, even though that man in particular has more "fast twitch" muscle fiber then most guys on an NFL grid.

Athleticism is - the physical qualities that are characteristic of athletes, such as strength, fitness, and agility.

I think in North America the onus with "athleticism" is on agility.

Where say in the former Soviet Union "athleticism" is associated more with strength just fyi in Russian and Ukrainian lifting sports are refereed to as "heavy athletics" and track and field is called "light athletics".

I think NFL and America by and large produce the best all around athletes, and by that I mean good balance of agility, fitness and strength, because that is what the sport requires. Its a good middle ground.

Where over there, you don't have that middle ground. You have by and large soccer, which requires agility and fitness and basically Olympic lifting which is heavily skewed towards strength.

What I am getting to that much of all this talk about fast twitch, slow twitch, anthropometry of the populations etc are a product of culture and environment than some population specific biological factors.

In that case yes I agree, all these American athletes will go into football first because it makes the most financial sense, the odds of success are higher. So yes, they are shying away from boxing.

Where in EE for example, more and more potential athletes are looking to combat sports because that is where they feel they have an opportunity. A few guys paved the way for them and are showing them that it can be done.

But here it all ends I think. American's don't want to box anymore, and no one else plays football...all of the talk about "what if" and "potential" is kinda moot...

I do agree...American footballers have the most balance of the attributes you described....while soccer players have fitness and agility...and weightlifters have strength

I just look at what jarryd hayne said about getting on an nfl weightlifting program and the practices....how much difference his overall fitness and strength is

Europeans tend to think football doesn't require much because a play is over in a matter of seconds...what they don't realize is how much of a toll those seconds take and demand

agree on ur point about it almost being a moot point...ur right...americans box as a last resort or if they are too small to do anything else.....and the rest of the world doesn't play American football

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I took a pic with him after the ward kov fight. We walked out of the fight next to him. I'm 6'4 245 lbs not fat at all. In the gym 5 days a week. He made me look so small I was blown away. His head was like twice the size of mine.
I still look back on the pic like WTF! Lol. Anyone else there meet him and think man what a big mofo! I wouldn't want to be in the ring with him that's for sure haha.

It’s like that when you see these giant HW’s in person it really puts into perspective how big these guys are.
I sat next to David Price at Bellew-Makabu and felt absolutely tiny.
It’s crazy meeting the smaller guys too, the McDonnell twins were in the same section as well and they looked so small haha

[D4thincarnation]

and some of these UK dweebs dont understand how much HW talent there would be from the US if it werent for that sport

So the UK would dominate welter to super middle if not for the popularity of football?

Also, have you heard about Rugby?

[D4thincarnation]

He doesn't look that big.