The Loma effect turns elite fighters into cans

[eco1]

Mikey and Loma are my favorite fighters.
I think Mikey is too big for Loma.

[Elroy The Great]

I agree. Some words get thrown around to freely. There arent many elite fighters. I wasnt big on Rigo because he had one good win. Most of his work is trash, but people liked what they saw in his abilities. And I cant disagree with what they saw, but those abilities need to be put in against the best. He fought infrequently for whatever reason.
Walters I wouldnt call elite either. His best win is an older Donaire. It was impressive though. Russell elite? For what exactly? Oh, he has fast hands. That must make him elite.

I think people say elite for their division but to me, even thats a stretch. I would go with best of the division instead of elite. Linares? Lmao.

being a hyper fan means upping everything their hero does....smdh

walters, grj and linares werent considered ''elite'' until loma beat them

rigo needs to get back at it.

[Elroy The Great]

- the bum effect

Loma makes it happen Mikey next

you are who you beat.

or do you have a better recipe

linares, grj and walters....holy shlt and rigo is a ''?''

the way of a hyper fan.....damn shame

[Elroy The Great]

Like it or not guys like Floyd & Loma ARE super human or just great f#cking fighters who can make every caliber of fighter go down a level on their best days.

true BUT to make all of their opponents out to be ''elite'' does their resume no justice. call a mediocre win as it really is. unbiased fight fans are able to do just that.

berto ?!?!?
linares ?!?!?
vanes ?!?!?!?

[Eff Pandas]

true BUT to make all of their opponents out to be ''elite'' does their resume no justice. call a mediocre win as it really is. unbiased fight fans are able to do just that.

berto ?!?!?
linares ?!?!?
vanes ?!?!?!?

Who's making all there opponents out to be "elite"?

I mean the first issue I have with a lot of threads here is they are written for the dumbest 10% of boxing fans. People love to cherry pick dumb mfers to argue with here.

I think your stance would go along with that cuz no sh^t there are caliber of W's to consider. But **** measuring great fighters seems one of the dumbest things smart boxing fans do cuz its an impossible thing to do with all the components involved in looking at the situation in the realest ways one can. And there is no arguing, in my mind, Floyd & Loma are both great fighters, along with a hundred others we could both name & ultimately agree on but its a whole other task to **** measure greatness & resumes & I tend to think its a silly task to take on cuz ultimately there is no right answer.

[Elroy The Great]

Who's making all there opponents out to be "elite"?

I mean the first issue I have with a lot of threads here is they are written for the dumbest 10% of boxing fans. People love to cherry pick dumb mfers to argue with here.

I think your stance would go along with that cuz no sh^t there are caliber of W's to consider. But **** measuring great fighters seems one of the dumbest things smart boxing fans do cuz its an impossible thing to do with all the components involved in looking at the situation in the realest ways one can. And there is no arguing, in my mind, Floyd & Loma are both great fighters, along with a hundred others we could both name & ultimately agree on.

we all know quality wins vs QUALITY OPPs when we see them.

if a person is a fan enough to make a thread about their guy, that fan should be honest about shlt.

imho, may is in the top 5 ATG....just dont ask me to put a number on him.

loma can be in that atg clique IN TIME. if he retires right now, nah.

may is my dude and i like loma.

i dont like it when fans make more out of a win that it deserves....and then want to argue !!!

[uppercut510]

those were all good wins but the only elite fighter there is rigo, I give loma credit for that but even he himself said its not a good win due to the size and going up 2 weight classes. loma is a great fighter but I think your stretching it with naming these fighters elite.

[Eff Pandas]

we all know quality wins vs QUALITY OPPs when we see them.

if a person is a fan enough to make a thread about their guy, that fan should be honest about shlt.

imho, may is in the top 5 ATG....just dont ask me to put a number on him.

loma can be in that atg clique IN TIME. if he retires right now, nah.

may is my dude and i like loma.

i dont like it when fans make more out of a win that it deserves....and then want to argue !!!

So you don't think Loma has reached "greatness" is basically what you are saying?

I hate trying to define when one reaches a HOF, top fighter of his era or greatness or whatever label you wanna put on it or have for that particular label, but I've thought Loma was great BEFORE the Linares win. And I think a large part of it is cuz he's doing something no one has really done so soon.

Personally I was very critical of Loma's rise early on. He gave Salido a battle. He beats Russell. Both respectable things. Then he fights a bunch of guys no one knew or gave a f#ck about really. But for me in the last 2 years I'm not sure there is anyone I could say has beaten more quality high level boxers then Loma. And certainly if there are 1 or 2 there aren't many one can say is doing it at a higher level then Loma right now.

I mean just look at his recent grind:

May 2018 Linares, undefeated for 6yrs
Dec 2017 Rigo, undefeated in entire 8.5yr career
Apr 2017 Sosa, undefeated for 6.5yrs
Nov. 2016 Walters, undefeated in entire 8yr career
June 2016 Martinez, only L in last 6yrs to Mikey Garcia

Who's ending unbeaten streaks like that in the last 2 years besides Loma? But of course feel free to "Not Sh^t" them post fight to make the W's seem less impressive if you must.

[Eff Pandas]

loma is a great fighter but I think your stretching it with naming these fighters elite.

What is the difference between a "great fighter" and "elite" to you.

Randomly we need some definitions for this site cuz sometimes I got no idea what people are trying to breakdown with their opinions of guys due to the definitions they've hyped or not hyped. For example I'd assume a Great Fighter>Elite, but that doesn't seem to be how dude loos at it.

[Elroy The Great]

So you don't think Loma has reached "greatness" is basically what you are saying?

I hate trying to define when one reaches a HOF, top fighter of his era or greatness or whatever label you wanna put on it or have for that particular label, but I've thought Loma was great BEFORE the Linares win. And I think a large part of it is cuz he's doing something no one has really done so soon.

Personally I was very critical of Loma's rise early on. He gave Salido a battle. He beats Russell. Both respectable things. Then he fights a bunch of guys no one knew or gave a f#ck about really. But for me in the last 2 years I'm not sure there is anyone I could say has beaten more quality high level boxers then Loma. And certainly if there are 1 or 2 there aren't many one can say is doing it at a higher level then Loma right now.

I mean just look at his recent grind:

May 2018 Linares, undefeated for 6yrs
Dec 2017 Rigo, undefeated in entire 8.5yr career
Apr 2017 Sosa, undefeated for 6.5yrs
Nov. 2016 Walters, undefeated in entire 8yr career
June 2016 Martinez, only L in last 6yrs to Mikey Garcia

Who's ending unbeaten streaks like that in the last 2 years besides Loma? But of course feel free to "Not Sh^t" them post fight to make the W's seem less impressive if you must.

resumes...they are what they are and sometimes to a fans displeasure.

i usually wait until a dude is done fighting to say if hes elite/great....loma is on the cusp.