My thoughts on Mayweather and PEDs

[Dosumpthin]

YESSS exactly!!! May occur. Did it happen to Stiverne? Did it happen to Dos Santos??? So you just admit that it may occur. Foot in mouth, huh? You just admit your defeat! ahahahahahahahha!

And YESS, HE DID MENTION MUSCLE DAMAGE, YOU LIAR!!!!!

"I had two hurt shoulders and two hurt hands."





LMAOOOOOO. How the **** would he know that before the weigh-in. Did Stiverne know it before the weigh-in. And I see you tried to say that Stiverne had it after the fight. I'm one step ahead of you, bum. Stiverne stated he didn't feel right even in the dressing room!

And now you need Ellerbe to say a word that he probably can't even pronounce for this to be it? LMAOOOOO. He's not a fvvcking doctor you desperate clown! What did they say was the cause? Working out!!!!! What causes rhabdomyolysis? Excessive, strenuous working out. Who works more than Floyd???? He was widely known as the boxer who works himself the most. YOU LOSE!





Don't want to hear about weight loss anymore Bermane Stiverne and Junior Dos Santos have wrecked your own argument. And it's pretty dumb for you to say that it is impossible for Mayweather to be dehydrated you fool. Already showed proof that he has been dehydrated in the past. You're getting stomped again.



How do you treat rhabdomyolysis? By administering an infusion of saline as soon as possible, right? Did he receive saline? Come on, ADP02. Disprove this! He didn't go to the hospital. He did get treated with an IV, which is what Stiverne had in the hospital. You're drowning here.



Once again, did you disprove what I told you to disprove, or did you DEFLECT. LMAOOOOOOOOO.
Disprove it, simpleton.



LMAOOOOO. IT'S GAME, SET, MATCH YOU FOOL. You can't get anything right here, can you? And guess what. This is GAME, SET, MATCH! Because you can't disprove this!!!!! You completely deflected! Disprove it!!!!!!

He had symptoms of rhabdomyolysis. His urine was extremely dark. He had shoulder injuries. He need not have lost tons of weight. He was dehydrated and treated with an IV infusion of saline, which is exactly what happens when someone has rhabdomyolysis. The cause of it is strenuous working out. He stated that the reason for his dehydration was working out.

It's overrrrrrrr...unless of course you can disprove rhabdomyolysis without deflecting.

R.I.P.

According to ADP02

Floyd could not be dehydrated because : Floyd, without a doctors confirmation or diagnosis, is required to list rhabdomyolysis on the pre fight form. Didn't list therefore Floyd didn't have it.



However after receiving an MRI and PRP treatments from Dr ElAttrache, Manny is not required to list his medical condition on the pre fight form. Manny just forgot. Manny definitely needed TORADOL.




ADP02 is a hypocrite.

[ADP02]

What have I ducked?
Lol. FOH.


You are the definition of the deflector.


You won't even respond to questions pertaining to links that you posted.

Remember?

It was YOU who posted Bob Arum claiming to have received a TUE from USADA for Toradol.


Just admit Bob Arum LIED about receiving prior approval for TORADOL - remember when Bob publicly tried to blame NSAC for not allowing the shot?

Why the **** do you think NSAC countered with an investigation? Lol.

Because TEAM PAC ARE LIARS.

Yet you keep trying to push some unfair conspiracy claiming Floyd wasn't investigated like Manny.

FOH.

Lets try again.....don't deflect

1. Did you think TEAM PAC intentionally lying to NSAC about receiving "prior approval" for TORADOL indicates an attempt to avoid consequences or an attempt to cheat?

2. Do you think TEAM PACs intentional lying about "prior approval" of banned substance (celestone 24 hour ban) may have contributed to an investigation?




Don't deflect! You can do it!

I have stated many times that if Manny did not correctly fill out the pre-fight form then YES, he should be investigated. Got it?

BUT

SHowtime Epilogue brings it up too.
The athlete should report to the NSAC any previously existing or any on-going medical issues up to the start of the fight. Of course, Showtime at the time was NOT aware that Floyd never told the NSAC until 21 days AFTER the fight about his IV scandal!!!


Once the NSAC found out about Floyd not revealing his medical condition then all investigations stopped. Furthermore, the NSAC said that Floyd did nothing wrong!!!! VEGAS said their home town guy did nothing wrong while they were in the process of investigating Manny!!!!


You OK with that or was NSAC biased?


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[ADP02]

YESSS exactly!!! May occur. Did it happen to Stiverne? Did it happen to Dos Santos??? So you just admit that it may occur. Foot in mouth, huh? You just admit your defeat! ahahahahahahahha!

And YESS, HE DID MENTION MUSCLE DAMAGE, YOU LIAR!!!!!

"I had two hurt shoulders and two hurt hands."





LMAOOOOOO. How the **** would he know that before the weigh-in. Did Stiverne know it before the weigh-in. And I see you tried to say that Stiverne had it after the fight. I'm one step ahead of you, bum. Stiverne stated he didn't feel right even in the dressing room!

And now you need Ellerbe to say a word that he probably can't even pronounce for this to be it? LMAOOOOO. He's not a fvvcking doctor you desperate clown! What did they say was the cause? Working out!!!!! What causes rhabdomyolysis? Excessive, strenuous working out. Who works more than Floyd???? He was widely known as the boxer who works himself the most. YOU LOSE!





Don't want to hear about weight loss anymore Bermane Stiverne and Junior Dos Santos have wrecked your own argument. And it's pretty dumb for you to say that it is impossible for Mayweather to be dehydrated you fool. Already showed proof that he has been dehydrated in the past. You're getting stomped again.



How do you treat rhabdomyolysis? By administering an infusion of saline as soon as possible, right? Did he receive saline? Come on, ADP02. Disprove this! He didn't go to the hospital. He did get treated with an IV, which is what Stiverne had in the hospital. You're drowning here.



Once again, did you disprove what I told you to disprove, or did you DEFLECT. LMAOOOOOOOOO.
Disprove it, simpleton.



LMAOOOOO. IT'S GAME, SET, MATCH YOU FOOL. You can't get anything right here, can you? And guess what. This is GAME, SET, MATCH! Because you can't disprove this!!!!! You completely deflected! Disprove it!!!!!!

He had symptoms of rhabdomyolysis. His urine was extremely dark. He had shoulder injuries. He need not have lost tons of weight. He was dehydrated and treated with an IV infusion of saline, which is exactly what happens when someone has rhabdomyolysis. The cause of it is strenuous working out. He stated that the reason for his dehydration was working out.

It's overrrrrrrr...unless of course you can disprove rhabdomyolysis without deflecting.

Man, just before clicking SUBMIT, I get some crazy message "I won .... " BS

ANyways, this is as close to what I previously had and you will deflect anyways!!! So no difference!







Lots of DEFLECTION. Your comments make no sense!


Those guys had rhabdomyolysis. Can you show me where it was diagnosed that Floyd had rhabdomyolysis?
I had a blood test done to verify certain indicators such as CK (if elevated). Lab report showed that it was elevated for me. I was NOT dehydrated though! Anyways. Floyd did not go to no hospital or clinic to do blood tests!


Oh wait. Hold on. We already have Floyd's BS excuses!!! Nevermind!



Those guys went to the HOSPITAL after their fight. Stiverne had to stay there for several days before he could leave the hospital. Did Floyd go to the hospital for several days? Floyd didn't even go to the hospital!!!



Those guys were severally dehydrated AFTER their fight!!!! Is that what happened to Floyd? LOL



Stiverne said he wasn't looking at his (bad) nutrition. He wasn't drinking the fluids he should have been. Floyd had Dr Alex Ariza who tends to hyper-hydrate his athletes.



Dehydration was possible for those guys because they over-exerted during their fight (not hard to do for heavy weights .... ) and became dehydrated. Having had rhabdomyolysis made it even easier for them to be severally dehydrated.
Instead Floyd was relaxing, weighing himself then drinking and drinking. Way different!!!! Ooops!


Being heavy weights, more than likely we do not have the weight information. That is, the amount of weight that they lost during training camp but if they became dehydrated, they clearly lost weight. That is how it works!!!!!
Floyd's weight was relatively stable!!!! WTF!!! LOL

Rhabdomyolysis

Your long-term outlook depends on the degree of kidney damage. If Rhabdomyolysis is caught early, you may be able to avoid major complications and return to normal health in a few weeks. Even then, however, you may still have some lingering weakness and pain on your muscles.

If major kidney damage occurs, your kidneys may be permanently damaged.

Tired and weak even after 2 weeks after treatment?
Those guys said they were tired, weak during their fight.
Floyd said he felt "strong" not weak. Floyd said the same before the weigh-in, after weigh-in, after getting the IV in the interview, post-fight interviews .....


Floyd said that he knew that Manny could tell how strong Floyd was.

Here Floyd says

"I'm a lot stronger even though I only walk around at 147".

Floyd

April 30

"I feel great. Training camp WAS great"

Floyd

FINAL DAYS for Floyd? We got that!!!! LOL

"Sit at home watch basketball, go home and lay down, take a nap, go for a nice walk then go around the neighborhood in a golf cart then probably go shakeout at the gym later on."

Floyd

Here is another nail in the coffin.

Ariza thinks that it is Manny not Floyd that over-trained and drained himself:

"Ariza said Pacquiao's face looks drawn to him. He said he would not be surprised if Pacquiao is three to four pounds under the 147-pound weight limit.
"Overtrained," Ariza surmised. "It's not a good look."

BTW - I heard that with the Ebola virus you get ...... dehydrated. Maybe Floyd had that too!!! Too funny.




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[ADP02]

According to ADP02

Floyd could not be dehydrated because : Floyd, without a doctors confirmation or diagnosis, is required to list rhabdomyolysis on the pre fight form. Didn't list therefore Floyd didn't have it.



However after receiving an MRI and PRP treatments from Dr ElAttrache, Manny is not required to list his medical condition on the pre fight form. Manny just forgot. Manny definitely needed TORADOL.




ADP02 is a hypocrite.

I have responded many times and did today as well. Manny, Floyd or whoever doesn't properly fill out or notify the NSAC should be investigated.


The NSAC was in the process of investigating Manny.

The NSAC stopped all investigations once they found out that Floyd didn't let the NSAC know about his supposedly extreme dehydration until 21 days after the fight.


Floyd should have notified the NSAC on the pre-fight form and the NSAC doctor because Floyd was already having issues. Floyd knows what dehydration is, right?

Floyd should have and could have notified the NSAC after having the "paramedic" stuck an ILLEGAL BANNED IV with 2 full IV bags?



Lets make it simple.
Floyd said what he had AFTER to the reporters. Right?Was that too hard to state BEFORE on the pre-fight form? To the NSAC doctor? To the NSAC at any point prior to the fight as Floyd is required to do?



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[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

It's obvious that Floyd was juicing. He is good at exposing himself. Like the time he was beating Corrales for all the battered women out there.

[travestyny]

Man, just before clicking SUBMIT, I get some crazy message "I won .... " BS

ANyways, this is as close to what I previously had and you will deflect anyways!!! So no difference!







Lots of DEFLECTION. Your comments make no sense!


Those guys had rhabdomyolysis. Can you show me where it was diagnosed that Floyd had rhabdomyolysis?
I had a blood test done to verify certain indicators such as CK (if elevated). Lab report showed that it was elevated for me. I was NOT dehydrated though! Anyways. Floyd did not go to no hospital or clinic to do blood tests!

Why do you always do this? NEWS FLASH. YOU AREN'T A WORLD CLASS ATHLETE. You are a butthurt piece of shlt that rides a bike on the weekend and claims that it means something. And on top of that you're a bltch a$$ liar. You always have some story. About you being dehydrated. About your cousin being some kind of EPO expert. Now about your health issues. Shut the fvvck up already. You're nothing.

And why the fvvck would I have his medical records you clown? Do you have Stiverne's medical record? Do you have Dos Santos medical record? THE MEDICAL RECORD IS CONFIDENTIAL WHICH IS PRECISELY WHY YOU CAN'T SAY HE DIDN'T HAVE IT. But what we can say is THE DOCTORS ON THE TUE COMMITTEE WHO HAD THE APPLICATION APPROVED IT. You believe Pacquiao had a fully torn rotator cuff injury without an MRI, so get the fvvck out of here with your bullshlt. The whole point is that the existence of this issue puts into doubt your entire argument and now you see that all the shlt that you said about not dropping a lot of weight and drinking water was absolute shlt!

Oh wait. Hold on. We already have Floyd's BS excuses!!! Nevermind!

What did he say the cause was. You've been bringing up these quotes so much...now you don't want to talk about them anymore!!!!!!

My urine was dark. Extremely dark. Darker than normal. That could be from OVERWORKING. EXTREMELY DARK!

Those guys went to the HOSPITAL after their fight. Stiverne had to stay there for several days before he could leave the hospital. Did Floyd go to the hospital for several days? Floyd didn't even go to the hospital!!!

Please do some research before you go around spouting shlt. Dos Santos did in fact go to the hospital...because it was believed he might have a broken jaw. However, he was not admitted and treated for rhabdomyolysis.

Following the loss, Dos Santos was transported to a local hospital for observation but did not sustain any substantial injuries and was quickly released.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/cain-velasq...-155-1.1205621

It was said that shortly after the fight, he consulted experts at Nike who ran some tests and they discovered it....and also said that he could have had issues BEFORE the fight.

He consulted with experts at Nike and was told that he had rhabdomyolysis.
http://www.scifighting.com/2013/05/2...-overtraining/

lol. So no, there was no hospital admittance!!!! More of your deflection going down the drain.

Now, DID THOSE GUYS GET TREATED BEFORE THE FIGHT YOU MORON?????? No.???? Well then shut the fvvck up!

Those guys were severally dehydrated AFTER their fight!!!! Is that what happened to Floyd? LOL

Were they treated BEFORE THE FIGHT? THEY GOT THRU THEIR FIGHTS, DIDN'T THEY? NOW DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF OR WORSE IF THEY WERE TREATED BEFORE THE FIGHT, YOU MORON?

Stiverne said he wasn't looking at his (bad) nutrition. He wasn't drinking the fluids he should have been. Floyd had Dr Alex Ariza who tends to hyper-hydrate his athletes.

Then explain why his urine was extremely dark, Mr. Insider. You don't know shlt. You're just butthurt that your boy LOST!!!!!

Dehydration was possible for those guys because they over-exerted during their fight (not hard to do for heavy weights .... ) and became dehydrated. Having had rhabdomyolysis made it even easier for them to be severally dehydrated.
Instead Floyd was relaxing, weighing himself then drinking and drinking. Way different!!!! Ooops!

You dumb bltch. You didn't know shlt about rhabdomyolysis a few days ago, now you're an expert? Get the fvvckk out of here. I'm sure those guys weren't going full speed a day before the fight either you buffoon. And you still won't explain one simple thing. How would they have been had they been treated with an IV BEFORE fighting? You have any information about that? Because if you don't...again...you're up shlts creek!

Being heavy weights, more than likely we do not have the weight information. That is, the amount of weight that they lost during training camp but if they became dehydrated, they clearly lost weight. That is how it works!!!!!
Floyd's weight was relatively stable!!!! WTF!!! LOL

LMAOOOO. Look at you squirmingggggggg. Do you think heavyweights were losing a shlt load of weight ADP02? Come on little guy. Admit it. Your not dropping a ton of weight bullshlt just went down the drain and you know it. And again, is Mayweather allowed to EVER be dehydrated or not? What do you think? I can post that gif again to help you out.

Tired and weak even after 2 weeks after treatment?
Those guys said they were tired, weak during their fight.
Floyd said he felt "strong" not weak. Floyd said the same before the weigh-in, after weigh-in, after getting the IV in the interview, post-fight interviews .....

HE WAS TREATED ALREADY YOU MORON. ARE YOU SLOW? WHAT WAS STIVERNE SAYING BEFORE THE FIGHT?

I'm going to hurt that kid. It's not going past 4.

Yea, you got that? LMAO

Floyd said that he knew that Manny could tell how strong Floyd was.

Here Floyd says


April 30

Remind me again what Stiverne said.

FINAL DAYS for Floyd? We got that!!!! LOL

Remind me again what Stiverne said!

Here is another nail in the coffin.

Ariza thinks that it is Manny not Floyd that over-trained and drained himself:

Are you ******? Here is a nail in your coffin.

My urine was dark. Extremely dark. Darker than normal. That could be from overtraining. Extremely dark.

Do you think any professional athlete is going to admit overtraining before the fight you moron Jesus christ. You would even pretend to be ****** just to try to advance your agenda, but you only succeed in making yourself look ******!

BTW - I heard that with the Ebola virus you get ...... dehydrated. Maybe Floyd had that too!!! Too funny.

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And maybe Pacquiao was really healed by God and salt water. YOU BELIEVED IT!!!!! LMAOOOO. You even tried to say that he meant his scar was healed by salt water!!!!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Good try!!! Actually it wasn’t a good try at all.

What are the symptoms, ADP02. Is extremely dark urine a symptom? Check.

Is pain in the shoulders a symptom? Check.

Low urine output? Check

What's a cause? Extreme workout regimen? Check.

Is it treated with an infusion of Saline to wash out the components that are blocking urine production and making the urine very dark? Check.

Go ahead and prove he didn't have it, ADP! Is the best you can do that Ellerbe didn't say the word???? LMAO!

Stiverne clearly had it before the fight and completed the fight. Mayweather very well may have had it before the weighin since that’s when his urine was dark, and then HE WAS TREATED. So talking about him being dehydrated after is pointless.

All he needed were symptoms of it, and then USADA would be forced to allow him to be treated for it because the health of the athlete is the #1 priority. Obviously Stiverne should have had the IV BEFORE HIS FIGHT INSTEAD OF AFTER. THEY WERE GOING INTO THE FIGHT DEHYDRATED AND FINISHING IT. MAYWEATHER WAS NOT GOING INTO THE FIGHT DEHYDRATED YOU FOOL!

The nail in YOUR coffin. Now do you think he needed to lose a ton of weight to have been dehydrated???? Yes or no. Let’s see you try to deflect

It’s over for you. As long as this existed, you running your mouth about weight and drinking water becomes irrelevant

Don’t you think so? Tell me definitively without deflecting. Does a person with that issue need to lose a ton of weight? Yes or no?

Do you think Stiverne was telling the press he feels weak before the fight? Lol. Clown boy!

Oh, and let me get this straight. You’re sayin for the record that if Mayweather had this issue, USADA should not bring him back to his normal health, but let him go into a 12 round fight like that, right? Lmaooooo. Too bad, Floyd. Just be hospitalized like Stiverne and let doctors tell you that you could have died like they said to Stiverne, right????

You do realize that we have checkmate here, right?


Oh...and one more thing. Nice try talking about it taking 2 weeks. From Stiverne after being released from the hospital:

It is unfortunate that I couldn't do what I wanted to do with my fight with Deontay Wilder. I want to congratulate him; he fought a good fight. Hopefully, somewhere in the future we will meet again. I am back on my feet 100 percent right now. I just need a couple of weeks or a month of rest to be back where I left off."
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...vegas-hospital

What's that? 100%? How so Dr. ADP02? Mind you, that's after having it AND going through a grueling 12 round fight. Clearly he means he is back 100% from the medical issue. He'll take 2-4 weeks off clearly because he just fought.

You loseeeeeeee!!!!!!!! Now come back and tell us that you were wrong about needing to lose tons of weigh to be dehydrated. Come on, you can do it!!!!

You also failed about their weights:

Stiverne vs. Arreola in which he said was his best performance: 239.5
Stiverne vs. Wilder I: 239

Junior Dos Santos vs. Frank Mir: 239
Junior Dos Santos vs. Cain Velasquez in his next fight: 239

In fact, from May 2012 (one fight before the overtraining incident) to April 2016, the highest he has weighed in is 241!

Oh, and one more thing: Can you confirm if weight gain is a listed symptom of Rhabdomyolysis? Why do I feel like I answer all of your questions, and you answer none of mine. Hmmm.

[elfag]

But yes, I did have my su****ions about him and PEDs. These doubts were triggered when I noticed changes to his jawline and muscle definition when he fought Marquez.

James Toney was on anabolic steroids. He didnt "look" like he was on PEDs. When will people realize there is no "look" for PEDs and PEDs are beyond just anabolic steroids. You got guys like Mosley and Lance Armstrong who were taking advanced PEDs that increase endurance, who never had a single positive test and only admitted to it later on after the paper trail was found. Did Lance Armstrong look like a steroid junkie? No. Was he on advanced endurance increasing PEDs that would REALLY benefit a cardio sport like boxing? yes

Floyd is probably on PEDs because 95% of fighters are probably on PEDs. The most telling trend IMO is the number of fighters from 35-42ish who are competing at the top level. The maximum age has been extended for boxers. Guys like Ali and SRL were SHOT at or before 35. Guys like Hagler and Marciano retiring before 35.

95% of top fighters are probably all on PEDs and you arent going to be able to prove it because standard testing is worthless and they are so far ahead of even the advanced testing. Go watch Icarus and how the entire Russian olympics team was on PEDs and they swapped out months old clean urine samples. You have atheletes from all kinds of different sports, all different countries, pro and amateur, who have been on PEDs their entire career without a single positive test. You might see some occasional signs of PED use, like Mayweather's testosterone ratios, his IV request or Pacquaios reluctance for more advance testing or his back acne, but you still have no failed tests. I dont doubt they both used though. Fighters didnt used to compete at their level after 35 or so.

[Dosumpthin]

I have stated many times that if Manny did not correctly fill out the pre-fight form then YES, he should be investigated. Got it?

BUT

SHowtime Epilogue brings it up too.
The athlete should report to the NSAC any previously existing or any on-going medical issues up to the start of the fight. Of course, Showtime at the time was NOT aware that Floyd never told the NSAC until 21 days AFTER the fight about his IV scandal!!!


Once the NSAC found out about Floyd not revealing his medical condition then all investigations stopped. Furthermore, the NSAC said that Floyd did nothing wrong!!!! VEGAS said their home town guy did nothing wrong while they were in the process of investigating Manny!!!!


You OK with that or was NSAC biased?


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You think the investigation was only about the pre fight form? NOPE. we both know MANNY BLAMED THE NSAC FOR DENYING HIM GATORADE AND TORADOL.


Lets try again.....don't deflect

1. Did you think TEAM PAC intentionally lying to NSAC about receiving "prior approval" for TORADOL indicates an attempt to avoid consequences or an attempt to cheat?

2. Do you think TEAM PACs intentional lying about "prior approval" of banned substance (celestone 24 hour ban) may have contributed to an investigation?




Don't deflect! You can do it!


I believe in you ADP! Try again.

(remember you are the one who provided the original LINK to Bob Arums TUE claims)

[pasawayako]

Travestyny still continue deflecting.

[travestyny]

Travestyny still continue deflecting.

Instead of lying, come back and post what I deflected.


When I answer you, accept a question coming back at you in return.

Deal? I bet you don't show up


Step up, bltch. I'll be waiting. Your question first, then mine. Go!