Comments Thread For: Tony Bellew Lighter Than David Haye At Rematch Weigh-In

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The thing about Haye is that he has a good right hand and Cunningham caught Fury bad in their fight with an overhand right that Haye would have probably put him to sleep with. I can't stop thinking about that shot when I think of Fury vs. big punchers with speed. That said, I think Fury is the favorite for a reason. And I think Huey is way untested at the moment. Ruiz Jr. seems good but he's untested as well. I think I need to see him more before I think he would even survive 6 rounds with Ortiz. Stiverne is shot to sh@t so I don't even care to talk about him.

I do remember that fight and fury ended up knocking him out. Know if we're talking about the old HAYEMAKER then hell he would had folded Fury. That David is long gone. That's good to know about huey so I would leave him to their side.

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You had me up to the speed advantage part. Fury moves well “for a guy his size”, but he’s certainly not faster than an athletic smaller HW like Haye. Haye would have to be in his late 40s for Fury to be quicker than him. And this is assuming Fury is still the same fighter he was before he took his long sabbatical to eat Cheetos and snort coke for a couple years.

Man have you seen David haye lately? It's like watching a broken down mustang. You guys gotta realize David is not the same person he used to be before that Wladimir fight. That was a long time ago with many injuries. Fury with his reach and awkward style. He would out box haye.

[steeve steel]

**** ya then, you xenophobic helmet

Hey watch your language! My wife is British... no really. Well... half Irish. But it doesn't mean I have to suffer these two knobs! Although, I think Hayes is less arrogant, which says a lot..

[cameltoe]

Please do because your list is going to be short and mine will be much much longer.

One thing you have to take into complete consideration is you just can't use rematches to prove a point, you have to look at the entire pool of information which is the entire record of opposition. When there are close fights, there are often rematches but if you look at most fighters records you won't see many if any rematches there. Paul Williams had 1 rematch in 43 fights.

When Floyd Mayweather fought Jesus Chavez (1-13-1) at 130 and knocked him out in 5, do you think Floyd would have done better in a rematch or not? These type of fights are a massive percentage of a fighters career. Look at Wilder, out of 40 wins there are 5 recognizable names. Do you think those 35 bums are going to do better the next time around?

Regarding your list:

1. Tarver got lucky,even Manny Steward said that verbatim during a night of fights he was hosting and remarked at how Tarvers eyes were closed. Jones had never legit lost, this was an anomally as I'm sure you will agree, if you plan on being reasonable that is.
   
2. Martinez got lucky too and if you know anything about Paul Williams, he didn't have much training. I think he had 17 Am's fights. He was learning on the job alot.
   
3. Frazier got lucky beating Ali. We saw what happened and proves my case, Frazier lost in 2 and 3 proving once Ali beat him it was easier the second time around.
   
4. Rahman, dude why are you picking guys that landed lucky punches? That doesn't help you at all. You're bringing up anomalies and I'm talking big leagues.
   
5. Mickey Ward, dude come on lmao. O' so bviously Gatti was completely shot to ribbons.

Basically what you did to prove your case is bring up guys that landed lucky punches which probably is a factor of 0.03% compared to mine.

Even at the top levels my case stands true quite a bit.

Floyd Mayweather vs Marcos Maidana 1
116-112 | 117-111 | 114-114 | TOTAL: 347 vs 337

Floyd Mayweather vs Marcos Maidana 2
[116-111 | 116-111 | 115-112 | TOTAL: 347 vs 334

Deontay Wilder vs Bermane Stiverne 1
118-109 | 119-108 | 120-107 | TOTAL: 357 vs 324

Deontay Wilder vs Bermane Stiverne 2
KO1

I used to fight in the Am's (novice class) and fought the same guy twice more than 1x and it was legit easier the second time around. The only reason we fought was there wasn't enough people in our class and we fought specials (off the books) to stay busy. My trainer passed this on to me that they would be easier the second time around and he was right. In retrospect, I can't remember a single time he wasn't.

Why can’t I use rematches? The whole post was about rematches. It would be odd not to reference them.

So to debate my point, you’re saying every fighter I mentioned is ‘lucky’. I suspect you’d say the same about any fighter I mentioned.

Ok then, can’t see much point in continuing here.

[juggernaut666]

You really DKSAB do you? Every trainer out there will tell you if you beat them once, it's even easier to beat them again.

Did Flynn defeat Dempsey in the rematch ? No

Did Farr defeat Baer in a rematch ? No

Did J. Lewis defeat Braddock in a rematch ? No

Did Burman defeat Farr in a rematch ? No

Did Shmelling defeat Louis in a rematch ? No

Did Johansson defeat Patterson in the rematch ? No

Did Marshal defeat Liston in a rematch ? No

Did Frazier defeat Ali in the second fight ? No

Did Norton defeat Ali in a rematch ? No

Did L. Spinks defeat Ali in a rematch ? No

Did Duplooy defeat Weaver in a rematch ? No

Did M. Spinks defeat Holmes ( with real scoring ) in the rematch ? No

Did M.Tyson stop Ruddock in the rematch ? No

Did Ferguson defeat Mercer in a rematch ? No

Did Bowe defeat Holyfeild in the second fight ? No

Did Moorer defeat Holyfield in the rematch ? No

Did McCall defeat Lewis in the rematch ? No

Did Rahman defeat Lewis in the rematch ? No

Did Ruiz defeat Holyfield in a rematch ? No

Did Brewster defeat Klitchko in the rematch ? No


These are 20 rematches at HW .


So no you imbecile , its not easier defeating the same opponent usually after you defeat them !


Theres nothing to suggest a fighter in this weight or any other class has an easier time . The actual best example of a BACK TO BACK rematch would be Duran vs Leanard , where Leanard lost and then came back to win after fighting smarter .


Rematches in general arent a give me as i PROVED here ,If that were the case rematches wouldn't happen usually you ****** ,your nonsensical post above has NOTHING to do with the HW statistics in rematches .


You used excuses for fights but then used Stiverne coming off a 2 year lay off ?


Classic McNUTTY !

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It's amazing how someone can go through a camp for a boxing fight and turn out looking like Bellew?

Can someone with sports science or S&C experience explain how you can do intensive training for 12 weeks and look like you have been on a pot noodle diet and play PS4 10 hours a day?

Or how about starting in a major film? He looks like shot in Creed too.

[Ajvar]

Please do because your list is going to be short and mine will be much much longer

I will add that Bellew did not beat Haye. The only way of a rematch being easier was only if you cracked opponent's technique, felt his flaws, accustomed to his strength etc.
What Bellew did instead? Mastered the way of fighting one legged man? GOOD JOB! Now only thing Tony needs is awaiting another leg injury to use what he learned, Bravo! Easy-peasy.

[abracada]

Haye looks amazing. I expect a better fight than last time where he was way off the mark with his wild punches. If he wins this I expect that he can move on to some pretty interesting fights. For instance, Haye vs. Fury would be huge.

Haye v AJ. , make it happen

[McNulty]

Why can’t I use rematches? The whole post was about rematches. It would be odd not to reference them.

So to debate my point, you’re saying every fighter I mentioned is ‘lucky’. I suspect you’d say the same about any fighter I mentioned.

Ok then, can’t see much point in continuing here.

I just said why, didn't you read my post?

[McNulty]

Did Flynn defeat Dempsey in the rematch ? No

Did Farr defeat Baer in a rematch ? No

Did J. Lewis defeat Braddock in a rematch ? No

Did Burman defeat Farr in a rematch ? No

Did Shmelling defeat Louis in a rematch ? No

Did Johansson defeat Patterson in the rematch ? No

Did Marshal defeat Liston in a rematch ? No

Did Frazier defeat Ali in the second fight ? No

Did Norton defeat Ali in a rematch ? No

Did L. Spinks defeat Ali in a rematch ? No

Did Duplooy defeat Weaver in a rematch ? No

Did M. Spinks defeat Holmes ( with real scoring ) in the rematch ? No

Did M.Tyson stop Ruddock in the rematch ? No

Did Ferguson defeat Mercer in a rematch ? No

Did Bowe defeat Holyfeild in the second fight ? No

Did Moorer defeat Holyfield in the rematch ? No

Did McCall defeat Lewis in the rematch ? No

Did Rahman defeat Lewis in the rematch ? No

Did Ruiz defeat Holyfield in a rematch ? No

Did Brewster defeat Klitchko in the rematch ? No


These are 20 rematches at HW .


So no you imbecile , its not easier defeating the same opponent usually after you defeat them !


Theres nothing to suggest a fighter in this weight or any other class has an easier time . The actual best example of a BACK TO BACK rematch would be Duran vs Leanard , where Leanard lost and then came back to win after fighting smarter .


Rematches in general arent a give me as i PROVED here ,If that were the case rematches wouldn't happen usually you ****** ,your nonsensical post above has NOTHING to do with the HW statistics in rematches .


You used excuses for fights but then used Stiverne coming off a 2 year lay off ?


Classic McNUTTY !

And 20 is a big number to you?

Reiterating: one thing you have to take into complete consideration is you just can't use rematches to prove a point, you have to look at the entire pool of information which is the entire record of opposition. I already said this but you chose to ignore it over a desire to count to 20 and feel like the big man on campus.