Frank Warren Talking Sense on AJ-Wilder

[FLY TY]

This guy would NOT agree to any of this if he had a fighter generating 20 Million a fight bc the 50 Million is then less relevant to give up promotional control with NO details ?????? lol


He must really , really dislike Hearn ?



He wouldn't even be calm and cool about it like Hearn if Finkel denied him a negotiations meeting he planned , his face would be beat red on social media .

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Joshua didn't ask for any details did he? He said, and I quote, "Let's roll."


See where you Hearn fans' arguments go south is when you make it about Hearn, and his promotional control. Hearn works for AJ, as he has stated, and his job is to get AJ paid. Turning down a 50 million dollar offer, regardless of who is in control, does a disservice to the fighter, and that is why I keep saying the fight surely gets made.

AJ will gladly take his asswhooping and smile for a minimum purse of 50 million, rather than fight Povetkin for 20, because he doesn't want to hurt Eddie's pride...

[Warrior Scholar]

Warren is still real sharp. Latest Tyson Fury interview, he was candid and upfront about 'There's no way it's (wilder or joshua) happening before he has 2 or 3 warmup fights' and you could see Tyson's face, he was like oh, that's the direction you're going.

Love Fury. I'm not convinced yet though.

because why?


because warren aint. and that owl knows fury better than I.

[juggernaut666]

Joshua didn't ask for any details did he? He said, and I quote, "Let's roll."


See where you Hearn fans' arguments go south is when you make it about Hearn, and his promotional control. Hearn works for AJ, as he has stated, and his job is to get AJ paid. Turning down a 50 million dollar offer, regardless of who is in control, does a disservice to the fighter, and that is why I keep saying the fight surely gets made.

AJ will gladly take his asswhooping and smile for a minimum purse of 50 million, rather than fight Povetkin for 20, because he doesn't want to hurt Eddie's pride...

Joshua doesnt handle negotiating does he ?


Hearn works for Joshua doing exactly what hes doing , ensuring the best legal advice and getting him the best deals which is why ge makes 20 Million a fight .


50 Million isnt some huge life changing amount he can almost make that in TWO fights ,unlike someone else .


No sensible promoter is going to agree to anything without stipulations giving to them ,even Don King had to somewhat chuckle at that .

Wilder makes more with the 12.5 Hearn offer yet Hearn is doing disservice to HIS fighter , not the guy whos paying his fighter slightly over ONE million a fight ?


You guys can keep commenting about it but the entire Wilder fanbase seems to be dumb as hell......

[juggernaut666]

Joshua didn't ask for any details did he? He said, and I quote, "Let's roll."


See where you Hearn fans' arguments go south is when you make it about Hearn, and his promotional control. Hearn works for AJ, as he has stated, and his job is to get AJ paid. Turning down a 50 million dollar offer, regardless of who is in control, does a disservice to the fighter, and that is why I keep saying the fight surely gets made.

AJ will gladly take his asswhooping and smile for a minimum purse of 50 million, rather than fight Povetkin for 20, because he doesn't want to hurt Eddie's pride...

PART 2

Its not Joshuas job to ask for details ,he is the fighter .


He didnt turn down a fifty Million deal bc no deal was actually presented to him bc there was no paper work and when he requested a formal contract was denied one .

He didnt accept the PROPOSED offer of saying he would fight Wilder for 50 Million that is not declining a deal . He can still counter the offer which he will .

One fighter can generate 20 Million for himself .


One fighter can generate 2.1 Million for himself ( if lucky )



Keep stating Hearn does a disservice to his client though , as only a Wilder fan is dumb enough to believe that .

A disservice would have actually been to accept the offer without knowing the stipulating details ..

[Holler]

50 Million isnt some huge life changing amount he can almost make that in TWO fights ,unlike someone else .

This is a point which seems to have escaped many posters. It's clearly a lot of money, but just over twice your regular earnings isn't enough for AJ to cancel every commercial contract he's signed or give up all the advantages his exploits have won him.

The perfect example is Hearn offering Wilder double his normal purse to fight Dillian Whyte. Wilder didn't even express any interest. Yet some seem to think that for the same amount, relative to his earnings, Joshua should be eager to give over all the decisions to Wilder's team?

[juggernaut666]

This is a point which seems to have escaped many posters. It's clearly a lot of money, but just over twice your regular earnings isn't enough for AJ to cancel every commercial contract he's signed or give up all the advantages his exploits have won him.

The perfect example is Hearn offering Wilder double his normal purse to fight Dillian Whyte. Wilder didn't even express any interest. Yet some seem to think that for the same amount, relative to his earnings, Joshua should be eager to give over all the decisions to Wilder's team?

Thats bc the idiot Wilder fans on here cant add .


When you break down the 50 Million for them and have to add 20 plus 20 for them which is 40 , that equals 2 Joshua fights . This stuff is to complicated for them . lol


Then they go on about 12.5 Million but dont even know that Wilders average pay is 1.5 or less . Hes actually bargaining for less money then 12.5 if they are paying out Joshua at 50 Million bc he then is ******** a 5 /10 Million dollar pay . ...how ****** are these fans ? lol


They further prove how uneducated they are bc Wilder makes 30 Million at least on top of that in a second fight with Hearns deal he offered bc different bargaining stipulations would vhange like a % and the rematch would be huge .

Wilder must think he will right with Hearns deal ? lol

[Froch_uppercut]

Yea like who Internet tough guy ?

Larry Hazard hall of famer / boxing commissioner is FRIENDS with Finkel and he even said the deal cannot be made over emails .


He even said Wilder shouldve took the 12.5 Million or it was a duck .....lol

A MEETING is a MUST on such a deal you simpleton .


Its not about money you DUMMY ,its about the details of the deal itself .


"THINK HEAD "

It's so F&^%ing obvious too.

"Yes we agree to this $50M deal you sent over social media, let's do it!"

"Ok, FYI: It's in a town hall in Alabama, Wilder comes to the ring first, then AJ comes in and has to be wearing a wedding dress and wellington boots. The dollars we are talking about are paid over 20 years, and we get all marketing rights to AJ from now till 1 week after the fight...." etc.

There are people who watch boxing but have no clue as to the business side. Hearn is a pro, and has been very transparent throughout. I don't think it's a duck on Wilder's part, but they're not exactly pulling up trees to make this happen.

[FLY TY]

Joshua doesnt handle negotiating does he ?


Hearn works for Joshua doing exactly what hes doing , ensuring the best legal advice and getting him the best deals which is why ge makes 20 Million a fight .


50 Million isnt some huge life changing amount he can almost make that in TWO fights ,unlike someone else .


No sensible promoter is going to agree to anything without stipulations giving to them ,even Don King had to somewhat chuckle at that .

Wilder makes more with the 12.5 Hearn offer yet Hearn is doing disservice to HIS fighter , not the guy whos paying his fighter slightly over ONE million a fight ?


You guys can keep commenting about it but the entire Wilder fanbase seems to be dumb as hell......

PART 2

Its not Joshuas job to ask for details ,he is the fighter .


He didnt turn down a fifty Million deal bc no deal was actually presented to him bc there was no paper work and when he requested a formal contract was denied one .

He didnt accept the PROPOSED offer of saying he would fight Wilder for 50 Million that is not declining a deal . He can still counter the offer which he will .

One fighter can generate 20 Million for himself .


One fighter can generate 2.1 Million for himself ( if lucky )



Keep stating Hearn does a disservice to his client though , as only a Wilder fan is dumb enough to believe that .

A disservice would have actually been to accept the offer without knowing the stipulating details .

First of all, it's a 50 million dollar guarantee, which means it's possible he can earn MORE, he just can't earn less.


Second, your making the argument for the fight, without even realizing it. It would indeed take AJ multiple fights to earn what he'd earn in ONE fight with Wilder. As far as Hearn goes, if AJ tells him to make the fight, it gets made, whether Hearn likes it or not.


Third, NOBODY has asked anybody to sign off on anything. Team Wilder has asked that they accept the monetary agreement, then discussions can take place regarding the actual details of the contract.


You guys can go round and round all you want, and make it seem like there's something nefarious going on, but asking somebody if they agree to monetary compensation that they asked for, seems perfectly reasonable to me, and it seems like everybody else who's not a fan of Eddie Hearn. Notice it's only the Hearn fans who make every dumb excuse they can, as to why AJ should turn down a 50 million dollar guarantee to fight Wilder.

[Boksfan]

First of all, it's a 50 million dollar guarantee, which means it's possible he can earn MORE, he just can't earn less.


Second, your making the argument for the fight, without even realizing it. It would indeed take AJ multiple fights to earn what he'd earn in ONE fight with Wilder. As far as Hearn goes, if AJ tells him to make the fight, it gets made, whether Hearn likes it or not.


Third, NOBODY has asked anybody to sign off on anything. Team Wilder has asked that they accept the monetary agreement, then discussions can take place regarding the actual details of the contract.


You guys can go round and round all you want, and make it seem like there's something nefarious going on, but asking somebody if they agree to monetary compensation that they asked for, seems perfectly reasonable to me, and it seems like everybody else who's not a fan of Eddie Hearn. Notice it's only the Hearn fans who make every dumb excuse they can, as to why AJ should turn down a 50 million dollar guarantee to fight Wilder.

But they did agree to 50 million offer, that's why they asked for a contract. If they didn't agree they would act like Wilder and hide in Alabama with internet/phone cut off.

[FLY TY]

But they did agree to 50 million offer, that's why they asked for a contract. If they didn't agree they would act like Wilder and hide in Alabama with internet/phone cut off.

They didn't agree. What they did was put up smokescreens to give you guys something to try to argue about....ala where the money was coming from.

As of now, all those excuses have been debunked, and they know the money is there and the offer is real. What is there to keep Hearn and AJ from accepting the offer now?