Comments Thread For: Jacobs-Sulecki Peaked at 874K Viewers, Averaged 811K on HBO

[NC Uppercut]

Nice work DJ! Keep them #’s going up bro! Doin it like supposed to! Mans man

[bigdunny1]

He did 824k for Stiverne II. I didn't know Stiverne & Ortiz were big draw B-sides.

So you just going to ignore Shawn Porter on the undercard for Stiverne 2? Porter a legit main attraction draw in his own right. And yes Ortiz being undefeated, boogeyman for years of the heavyweight is a better B side then Granados. If those factors didn't matter then he wouldn't of drawn 500K with Spzika.

If Wilder doesn't land the Joshua fight and fights a guy like Breazeale or even worse a non top 10 ranked Heavy nobody I will circle back to this post. And we will see just how much his ratings fall back to the normal pack for showtime without Ortiz. We already know Broner has already proven he can draw with a shyt undercard and nobody opponent.

[Motorcity Cobra]

So you just going to ignore Shawn Porter on the undercard for Stiverne 2? Porter a legit main attraction draw in his own right. And yes Ortiz being undefeated, boogeyman for years of the heavyweight is a better B side then Granados. If those factors didn't matter then he wouldn't of drawn 500K with Spzika.

This was Ortiz's first fight on Showtime. He hadn't fought on HBO since 2016. His fight before Wilder was a Fox Sports 1 card and his two previous fights before that weren't shown on US TV. Those two matchroom fight killed that most feared heavyweight mystique. Ortiz did not bring in the casual viewers. Porter-Granados portion of the undercard avg'd 646k. The Jose Uzcategai-Andre Dirrell fight avg'd 673k. They're bigger draws than Porter?

[killakali]

That’s pretty good considering Showtime had a significantly smaller subscriber base.

25% less and what is more telling is that even though Broner and Wilder are on showtime regularly, They aren’t helping close the subscriber base gap with HBO. If people really wanted to see them fight they would subscribe to showtime

[bigdunny1]

This was Ortiz's first fight on Showtime. He hadn't fought on HBO since 2016. His fight before Wilder was a Fox Sports 1 card and his two previous fights before that weren't shown on US TV. Ortiz did not bring in the casual viewers. Porter-Granados portion of the undercard avg'd 646k. The Jose Uzcategai-Andre Dirrell fight avg'd 673k. They're bigger draws than Porter?

Ortiz has been on HBO and UK tv plenty of times and his last HBO fight drew 740K viewers MORE then Wilder drew with Szpilka just months after but that's not the point Ortiz was a elite undefeated Heavyweight who fans felt had a strong chance to beat Wilder. That's what drove the ratings it was Wilder's first non huge mismatch fight that fans felt he had a chance of losing.

2016-03-05 Ortiz vs Tony Thompson 740K viewers
2016-01-16 Wilder vs Szpilka 500K viewers

Put Wilder in another mismatch like Szpilka with a shytty undercard is he drawing 800K viewers like Broner did with Granados and a shyt undercard in the middle of nowhere Ohio? If he doesn't land Joshua and he faces a low level Heavy or non top 10 heavy we'll find out. But we know Broner will draw regardless who they pick or stick on the undercard.

Jessie Vargas already beaten twice not a elite welterweight hadn't fought since 2016 then fought a bum on FS1 last year that nobody watched. And Broner was coming off a HORRIBLE loss and performance and still drew 800K.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Ortiz has been on HBO and UK tv plenty of times and his last HBO fight drew 740K viewers MORE then Wilder drew with Szpilka just months after but that's not the point Ortiz was a elite undefeated Heavyweight who fans felt had a strong chance to beat Wilder. That's what drove the ratings it was Wilder's first non huge mismatch fight that fans felt he had a chance of losing.

2016-03-05 Ortiz vs Tony Thompson 740K viewers
2016-01-16 Wilder vs Szpilka 500K viewers

Ortiz had no TV presence build up before that fight.Those two Matchroom fights he didn't look so impressive and it killed that boogeyman mystique. as you can see here

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728263

and here

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=731062

His US TV fight before Wilder was on Fox Sports 1. He didn't fight on any of Wilder's undercards or any high rated undercards before fighting Wilder


I have no idea why you keep bringing up the Szpilka numbers on Showtime while ignoring his next two fights were on highly rated FOX network shows which built his profile and viewership. You'e acting like he went from 500k against Szpilka straight to Stiverne. That's not what happened.

[filup79]

25% less and what is more telling is that even though Broner and Wilder are on showtime regularly, They aren’t helping close the subscriber base gap with HBO. If people really wanted to see them fight they would subscribe to showtime

People are subscribing to Showtime, just not through their cable providers. People are subscribing to their streaming app that allows you to view the fights live. I cancelled Showtime through Direct TV and ordered the app through Amazon Prime because it was a lot cheaper.

[bigdunny1]

Ortiz had no TV presence build up before that fight.Those two Matchroom fights he didn't look so impressive and it killed that boogeyman mystique. as you can see here

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=728263

and here

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=731062

His US TV fight before Wilder was on Fox Sports 1. He didn't fight on any of Wilder's undercards or any high rated undercards before fighting Wilder


I have no idea why you keep bringing up the Szpilka numbers on Showtime while ignoring his next two fights were on highly rated FOX network shows which built his profile and viewership. You'e acting like he went from 500k against Szpilka straight to Stiverne. That's not what happened.

Jessie Vargas was literally as inactive and fought on FS1 as well. And ignore the fact that when Ortiz did last headline a cable card he out performed Wilder. The question isn't whether casuals knew who Ortiz was or not. They knew Wilder was in a major step up fight not a mismatch. He was a facing a universally accepted elite heavyweight, undefeated and who had been on cable multiple times. Wilder facing a true toss up fight instead of a 100 to 1 underdog fight is what drew the ratings. Stop trying to pretend Ortiz was a nobody he wasn't his HBO ratings prove that and he was the first threat Wilder has faced that more then his casuals knowing his name drove the ratings.

Like I said if Wilder don't land Joshua and goes back to finding a journey man or no hope opponent we will see what his ratings look like. I already seen Broner face those type of guys and draw big ratings. Wilder needs the right opponents and right card to draw hence terrible ratings with Szpilka AFTER he had just headlined NBC primetime card and was heavily promoted. We know Broner doesn't need a big name, elite fighter or even quality undercard to draw see Granados fight. He can lose in embarrassing 1 sided fight and fight Vargas coming off FS1 card and still draw.

[IMDAZED]

25% less and what is more telling is that even though Broner and Wilder are on showtime regularly, They aren’t helping close the subscriber base gap with HBO. If people really wanted to see them fight they would subscribe to showtime

They are. According to Espinoza. But I suppose you see more of the #’s than he does. Or he’s lying and you’fe telling the truth.

[kej718]

Showtime should make a streaming app just for boxing. I they would increase viewers this way. Not everyone wants to pay a cable subscription to watch boxing. If Game of Thrones was on Showtime they would have more subscribers.