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Originally posted by Reverb View PostWhen this 'money is no object' thing is thrown around I can't help but think back to Ryabinskiy outbidding Wilder's side- 7 million to their limit of 5 for Wilder.
Yes Haymon has backers, but they want a return on their money and all of them (backers and both teams) will be serious about getting down to business. This press release stuff isn't the real deal just yet, it's being said for the purposes of raising interest.
OK, I'm out of this subject til it actually starts moving later this year.
yes they were outbid..it was povetkin...povetkin isnt joshua and i dont think i need to explain that any further....wilders previous purses and their previous bids mean squat in relation to AJ whom everyone calls an "international star"
haymon and showtime have the money....but you dont know what they are thinking...they might be willing to take a 10 mil loss on the event if they think they have an advantage having it over here...and they believe they can make that money back on wilder when/if he wins....they also might believe, by their calculations, that they will make money on the fight
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Originally posted by Talivar View PostIf we are going to keep seeing buying a house/car analogy then atleast do it right.
You walk along the street and see a house you like the look of and go to knock on the door, before you even get in the garden someone comes running out and says the house costs 50mil, you cant see inside and you have 24 hours to decide and im not willing to discuss this further until you give me a straight YES or NO. Oh and just so you know if you do say YES then that is possibly a legally binding verbal agreement and if you dont go through with buying the house after you seen inside then i will sue you!
1. There is nothing to be bought here. Both you and the owner of the house can benefit not by selling a house or buying a house. The commodity to be sold in the AJ-Wilder case is both guys, not something owned by one side or the other. So, the car analogy has been grossly misused here. Both guys cannot make the money being mentioned here without the other, although AJ, at least for now, will continue to make more money than Wilder.
2. But let's use the car analogy you stated. Starting with your walking along the street, you saw Mr. A's house. Mr. A did not ask you to stop by his house you did. Where your analogy was inaccurate here are the following:
a) You (Eddie) stopped at the house and offered $12.5 million to buy the house. This, in itself, does not make sense since you cannot dictate to the owner of the house what he should sell for. Now, the delusional AJ fans continually ignore this. The 1st offer to buy the 'house' came from Eddie.
b). Now, Mr. A says I won't sell my house to you for $12.5 million. Further, he stated that even you (Eddie) won't accept $12.5 million in this market. So, Mr A goes further and states that his house is worth a lot more and that you won't sell your own house for cheap. Your son (AJ) standing beside you makes fun of Mr A and said "Well, bring me $50 million for my house and I'll buy yours for $50 million too if you think yours is worth that much." So, Mr. A calls you and your son's bluff and offers up $50 million to you to buy your house, expecting you to keep to your words but instead you begin to make excuses like 'Well, I don't know how your house looks like; when should I move out, etc."
As always, CONTEXT is the key to the truth in every story.
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God some Americans argue black is white; and the irony is they then in the same breath accuse others of having bias. It’s quite clear if you have 100% one side of this argument you have bias attached so please don’t go shouting at others for having the opposite view.
To me a few things are clear:
1) Joshua/Hearn have stated they want the fight next and have tried to some extent to make it happen; however are reluctant to pay ridiculous sums (in their view) hence the initial $12.5 mil offer. They have also backtracked from hearns (not Joshuas) original plan 12 to 24 months ago to have at least one fight in America but also other venues such as dubai etc.
2) It is still unclear in wilders team who actually is in charge, but offering deals in the public rather than behind closed doors doesn’t suggest they imminently want the fight. More likely they are trying to maximise their purse. In addition by refusing to even meet to discuss an offer they made, they have in affect proven it was a publicity stunt, Wilder confirmed this when he said he was using “Instagram for what it is designed for” when questioned about it. In addition Breazeale has already confirmed he has a fight agreed and signed; and the WBC have conveniently made him the sole mandatory.
All of he above leads me to believe the fight will happen , but only when the fight has grown more. I can see both fighters having two more fights this year hen a Wembley fight in April/May time.
Obvious fights are breazeale and Whyte for wilder & povetkin and Miller for Joshua.
Let’s see if I’m right
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Originally posted by sotgoda View PostYour analog is not the right one to use; neither is it correct.
1. There is nothing to be bought here. Both you and the owner of the house can benefit not by selling a house or buying a house. The commodity to be sold in the AJ-Wilder case is both guys, not something owned by one side or the other. So, the car analogy has been grossly misused here. Both guys cannot make the money being mentioned here without the other, although AJ, at least for now, will continue to make more money than Wilder.
2. But let's use the car analogy you stated. Starting with your walking along the street, you saw Mr. A's house. Mr. A did not ask you to stop by his house you did. Where your analogy was inaccurate here are the following:
a) You (Eddie) stopped at the house and offered $12.5 million to buy the house. This, in itself, does not make sense since you cannot dictate to the owner of the house what he should sell for. Now, the delusional AJ fans continually ignore this. The 1st offer to buy the 'house' came from Eddie.
b). Now, Mr. A says I won't sell my house to you for $12.5 million. Further, he stated that even you (Eddie) won't accept $12.5 million in this market. So, Mr A goes further and states that his house is worth a lot more and that you won't sell your own house for cheap. Your son (AJ) standing beside you makes fun of Mr A and said "Well, bring me $50 million for my house and I'll buy yours for $50 million too if you think yours is worth that much." So, Mr. A calls you and your son's bluff and offers up $50 million to you to buy your house, expecting you to keep to your words but instead you begin to make excuses like 'Well, I don't know how your house looks like; when should I move out, etc."
As always, CONTEXT is the key to the truth in every story.
Yes you can ,and if the owner wants to negotiate price he has that ability .........ITS HIS HOUSE .
If Mr.A doesnt want to sell he could simply not say anything and close the door in Eddies face which is basically what Finkel did .
" Mr. A says I won't sell my house to you for $12.5 million. Further, he stated that even you (Eddie) won't accept $12.5 million in this market. So, Mr A goes further and states that his house is worth a lot more and that you won't sell your own house for cheap. "
Mr.A MEETS EDDIE ...........
Eddie sees a house and inquirers about it .
Mr.A seems reluctant to let him in but gives him a price .
They quarrel for awhile and Mr.A assures him he will love the house its in perfect condition inside and he will let him see it but not until he is paid .
Eddie realizes something is mot right and decides to tell Mr.A he'll be back .
Eddie simply walks away and asks Mr.A how much his son makes an hour , he replies $1.50 .
Eddie replies thats rubbish how would he like to make 12.50 an hour .
Mr. A replies well i'll get back to you on that .
He calls Eddie up and says no thank you my son doesnt care about money he enjoys where hes at . ( lol lol )
Eddie later on at night sneaks onto Mr. A's property and peeks in his windows ,he notices the floor is ripped up and no kitchen sink with mold on the walls .
Eddie calls Mr. A up the next day and says hes not even interested in the house anymore but is still willing to give his son a job and will get back to him on a new offer .............
Eddie hangs up the call thinking the A must stand for AZZHOLE !
You like stoy telling do you ?
Last edited by juggernaut666; 05-01-2018, 05:27 PM.
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Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Post" This, in itself, does not make sense since you cannot dictate to the owner of the house what he should sell for. "
Yes you can ,and if the owner wants to negotiate price he has that ability .........ITS HIS HOUSE .
If Mr.A doesnt want to sell he could simply not say anything and close the door in Eddies face which is basically what Finkel did .
" Mr. A says I won't sell my house to you for $12.5 million. Further, he stated that even you (Eddie) won't accept $12.5 million in this market. So, Mr A goes further and states that his house is worth a lot more and that you won't sell your own house for cheap. "
Mr.A Meets Hearn...........
Hearn sees a house and inquirers about it .
Mr.A seems reluctant to let him in but gives him a price .
They quarrel for awhile and Mr.A assures him he will love the house its in perfect condition inside and he will let him see it but not until he is paid .
Hearn realizes something is mot right and decides to tell Mr.A he'll be back .
Hearn simply walks away and asks Mr.A how much his son makes an hour , he replies $1.50 .
Hearn replies thats rubbish how would he like to make 12.50 an hour .
Mr. A replies well i'll get back to you on that .
He calls Hearn up and says no thank you my son doesnt care about money he enjoys where hes at . ( lol lol )
Hearn later on at night sneaks onto Mr. A's property and peeks in his windows ,he notices the floor is ripped up and no kitchen sink with mold on the walls .
Hearn calls Mr. A up the next day and says hes not even interested in the house anymore but is still willing to give his son a job and will get back to him on a new offer .............
You like stoy telling do you ?
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Originally posted by Jimmy gold View PostDon’t be so desperate soon AJ will hold all the belts and u clowns will be saying all our best athletes be in the nba or nfl lol
For the record, I think this is a 50/50 fight and I look forward to it. Wilder being champ ain't putting no money in my pocket. I just want to see a really good heavyweight fight.
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