Comments Thread For: Joshua's Promoter Plans To Make a "New" Offer To Wilder

[Holler]

I’m actually glad to be having a normal discussion with someone instead of just insults and racist slurs thrown my way.

No excuses for the former, the latter are a disgrace and one of the aspects of this forum I don't like.

I didn’t realize that if said yes to the money without signing anything , just let the negotiations proceed from there that there is a legal binding agreement. I’m still not sure on that as I am. Or a lawyer. It just seemed that a lot of brits were saying wilder should say yes to the 12.5 million so what’s the difference?

Yes an oral contract can be enforceable by law: https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/i...ys-474366.html I don't know whether this is the true concern or as is more likely Hearn doesn't simply want to tie his hands in negotiation, either way it's not good practice to accept something if you're not sure of the commercial or legal implications.

With the money thing and Hearn wanting to know more ( even though Finkel and Haymon never screwed anyone ) just seems like and excuse. 2 weeks ago when Hearn said he wanted 50 he didn’t say he wanted 50 and proof, and upfront money and so on.

Because the quote was taken when he was being flippant in a youtube interview, as is his wont, not from a negotiation discussion with Wilder's team. He was making a point about the discrepancy in revenue projections between the two camps.

It's as if you and I were out for a beer in NYC watching a Patriots Chargers game and I said I thought Travis Benjamin was going to score the winner in overtime and you said 'dude if he does that you can sleep with my wife'. and we laugh, and hey, whaddya know the game goes into overtime, the chargers qb throws a hail mary and....

Later that night I knock at your door with a toothbrush and an expectant look...

50 is more than 2x the money he has ever made , it just seems like they should have accepted then proceed forward without any commitment.

$50m is a lot of money, but pro rata to AJ it's actually just under 2 fights income. Given he's 28 and HW's box career goes a little longer, this is not a vast sum set against future potential career earnings in the ring and the significant sums he brings in outside via commercial partners.

Think Jordan in Basketball. An industry all by himself. That's where Joshua is heading. So if the 50m has anything within it that puts that wider project at risk, all of a sudden it's a LOT less enticing.

As far as Hearn well heck he is not the devil and all promoters have an evil side but Haymon represents a ****olad of fighters and when he makes an offer people usually listen.

And they should. If you watch Hearn's interviews he's been careful to show some respect to Haymon. Finkel is the one he's been guilty of disrespecting.

One last thing , per hearn he said this was PR cause they didn’t send over a contract and by sending a contract is the way that Hearn does business,yet he is about to send his second “offer “ to wilder. Why doesn’t hearn send a contract if that’s the only he does business per his own words?

So you need to think of the difference between the two 'offers'. Hearns was sent on the basis of a UK fight, with a proven business model and with an amount that NO SEASONED observer doubted could be generated by the fight itself.

The offer was made privately. Wilder's team were free to study it, to ask any questions that arose from it. There was no pre condition or ultimatum other than the 10 day window before the Povetkin mandatory window closed.

So according to Hearn, Wilder's team didn't even acknowledge the receipt of the offer, they simply leaked selected portions of it to local media along with a supposed 48 hour ultimatum which has subsequently appeared to be a falsehood.

His position is that they could come back and ask any questions they liked on his offer and if they wanted a contract or proof of funds then 'no problem' within the day they'd have them.

The second 'offer' was sent by email from Wilder, who never normally does negotiations. It was accompanied by a tweeted video. There was no info on where the fight was to be held etc it was purely focussed on the 50mn quote from AJ's interview and when Hearn sought clarification it was refused.

Do you see the fundamental difference between the two? By shutting down all discussion, cancelling meetings, refusing clarification and saying you need to agree to this withhout knowing any other details, Wilder's team have given an offer which may initially sound enticing but which is actually impossible to accept.

[5000boxing]

Calm down and stop getting all emotional about things. You have never met both fighters or the promoters so why are investing so much of your emotions in insulting an entire nation based on some comments guys who you don’t personally know have made. I hope you show this same passion in your life endeavours?

Ok high friend 😂I am a Joshua fan as you probably already guessed. I actually know Joshua and he is a member of my Casino at palm beach in Mayfair. That is probably the only reason I want Joshua to win more than Wilder. If wilder faced fury or anyone else for that matter I would root for him. So to answer your statement I thought it was a bull**** offer(the amount and it was a flat fee) However I knew this was the start of negotiations.
Hearn is not liked in the U.K. either but if I’m being honest the very reasons they don’t like him is the reasons I admire him. Yes he is a **** and arrogant but he likes a pound note and so do I.
Look all insults aside you want the fight, we want the fight too. I don’t care how patriotic or biased you aretoWilder but there is no way you can say the reason why this fight is at a impasse is solely on Eddie Hearn?. If you believe that to be the case then I’m sorry for interrupting you I will not bother you again. Peace

Sorry.. I admit.. that was totally out of character.. I guess arguing with a million biased A.J fans has made me unconsciously biased a bit.. I will pump my brakes and chill out. Sorry about that. I just want to see the fight.

[5000boxing]

The $50million was only posturing for the benefit of the gullible. The "offer" was not in writing, nor was proof of funds offered. As to your assertion that one group (Wilder's group) was offering $50 million plus a 50% of the revenues, that would really shortchange Wilder. If the revenue is $100 million then Wilder's side would only receive $25 million. That means they assume all the financial risk and give a 4 to 1 split to their opponent. I don't think so.

What? Shortchange? This is probably a 200 million dollar fight right now..

[Bum squad]

I just want to see the fight.

That is all that really needs to be said across all these *****ing threads about money.couldn't give a **** just get it on.

[Noelanthony]

Sorry.. I admit.. that was totally out of character.. I guess arguing with a million biased A.J fans has made me unconsciously biased a bit.. I will pump my brakes and chill out. Sorry about that. I just want to see the fight.

It’s all love bro

[Noelanthony]

No excuses for the former, the latter are a disgrace and one of the aspects of this forum I don't like.



Yes an oral contract can be enforceable by law: https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/i...ys-474366.html I don't know whether this is the true concern or as is more likely Hearn doesn't simply want to tie his hands in negotiation, either way it's not good practice to accept something if you're not sure of the commercial or legal implications.



Because the quote was taken when he was being flippant in a youtube interview, as is his wont, not from a negotiation discussion with Wilder's team. He was making a point about the discrepancy in revenue projections between the two camps.

It's as if you and I were out for a beer in NYC watching a Patriots Chargers game and I said I thought Travis Benjamin was going to score the winner in overtime and you said 'dude if he does that you can sleep with my wife'. and we laugh, and hey, whaddya know the game goes into overtime, the chargers qb throws a hail mary and....

Later that night I knock at your door with a toothbrush and an expectant look...



$50m is a lot of money, but pro rata to AJ it's actually just under 2 fights income. Given he's 28 and HW's box career goes a little longer, this is not a vast sum set against future potential career earnings in the ring and the significant sums he brings in outside via commercial partners.

Think Jordan in Basketball. An industry all by himself. That's where Joshua is heading. So if the 50m has anything within it that puts that wider project at risk, all of a sudden it's a LOT less enticing.



And they should. If you watch Hearn's interviews he's been careful to show some respect to Haymon. Finkel is the one he's been guilty of disrespecting.



So you need to think of the difference between the two 'offers'. Hearns was sent on the basis of a UK fight, with a proven business model and with an amount that NO SEASONED observer doubted could be generated by the fight itself.

The offer was made privately. Wilder's team were free to study it, to ask any questions that arose from it. There was no pre condition or ultimatum other than the 10 day window before the Povetkin mandatory window closed.

So according to Hearn, Wilder's team didn't even acknowledge the receipt of the offer, they simply leaked selected portions of it to local media along with a supposed 48 hour ultimatum which has subsequently appeared to be a falsehood.

His position is that they could come back and ask any questions they liked on his offer and if they wanted a contract or proof of funds then 'no problem' within the day they'd have them.

The second 'offer' was sent by email from Wilder, who never normally does negotiations. It was accompanied by a tweeted video. There was no info on where the fight was to be held etc it was purely focussed on the 50mn quote from AJ's interview and when Hearn sought clarification it was refused.

Do you see the fundamental difference between the two? By shutting down all discussion, cancelling meetings, refusing clarification and saying you need to agree to this withhout knowing any other details, Wilder's team have given an offer which may initially sound enticing but which is actually impossible to accept.

A refreshing intellectual debate. I have to admit I do prefer the banter/ insults but it’s good to hear common sense.You see even sworn enemies can show respect.

Not that it makes a difference but a ORAL contract should be replaced with the term VERBAL contract. The connotations with the word sit better in my Head ( this is solely for me)


Kind regards Anthony

[Patsfan bri]

No excuses for the former, the latter are a disgrace and one of the aspects of this forum I don't like.



Yes an oral contract can be enforceable by law: https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/i...ys-474366.html I don't know whether this is the true concern or as is more likely Hearn doesn't simply want to tie his hands in negotiation, either way it's not good practice to accept something if you're not sure of the commercial or legal implications.



Because the quote was taken when he was being flippant in a youtube interview, as is his wont, not from a negotiation discussion with Wilder's team. He was making a point about the discrepancy in revenue projections between the two camps.

It's as if you and I were out for a beer in NYC watching a Patriots Chargers game and I said I thought Travis Benjamin was going to score the winner in overtime and you said 'dude if he does that you can sleep with my wife'. and we laugh, and hey, whaddya know the game goes into overtime, the chargers qb throws a hail mary and....

Later that night I knock at your door with a toothbrush and an expectant look...



$50m is a lot of money, but pro rata to AJ it's actually just under 2 fights income. Given he's 28 and HW's box career goes a little longer, this is not a vast sum set against future potential career earnings in the ring and the significant sums he brings in outside via commercial partners.

Think Jordan in Basketball. An industry all by himself. That's where Joshua is heading. So if the 50m has anything within it that puts that wider project at risk, all of a sudden it's a LOT less enticing.



And they should. If you watch Hearn's interviews he's been careful to show some respect to Haymon. Finkel is the one he's been guilty of disrespecting.



So you need to think of the difference between the two 'offers'. Hearns was sent on the basis of a UK fight, with a proven business model and with an amount that NO SEASONED observer doubted could be generated by the fight itself.

The offer was made privately. Wilder's team were free to study it, to ask any questions that arose from it. There was no pre condition or ultimatum other than the 10 day window before the Povetkin mandatory window closed.

So according to Hearn, Wilder's team didn't even acknowledge the receipt of the offer, they simply leaked selected portions of it to local media along with a supposed 48 hour ultimatum which has subsequently appeared to be a falsehood.

His position is that they could come back and ask any questions they liked on his offer and if they wanted a contract or proof of funds then 'no problem' within the day they'd have them.

The second 'offer' was sent by email from Wilder, who never normally does negotiations. It was accompanied by a tweeted video. There was no info on where the fight was to be held etc it was purely focussed on the 50mn quote from AJ's interview and when Hearn sought clarification it was refused.

Do you see the fundamental difference between the two? By shutting down all discussion, cancelling meetings, refusing clarification and saying you need to agree to this withhout knowing any other details, Wilder's team have given an offer which may initially sound enticing but which is actually impossible to accept.

good points , , great discussion . We kinda have similar thoughts just a little different opinion which is what makes the world go around. Let’s see what hearn next “offer “ is and hopefully this fight gets done.

[Verus]

What? Shortchange? This is probably a 200 million dollar fight right now..

In my opinion, a 4 to 1 split in favor of Joshua would "shortchange" Wilder no matter what the size of the pot would be. He can do better than a 25% share, especially if Wilder's side is underwriting the fight. Show me the money!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrag8ll85w

[juggernaut666]

Saying someone is the toughest guy you’ve fought is a completely different thing than saying he gave you your toughtest fight.

Duhaupas is tough because he absorbed a terrific amount of punishment and kept coming, just as he did against Miller. He did not win more than probably one round at most against Wilder. The facial damage came from his eye swelling from a single jab in the first round ... if you’ve watched the fight you’d know this — as with Miller, he kept trying but he wasn’t coming close to winning rounds.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Wilders eye in the first rnd ....from a SINGLE jab ! lol


Wilder was continuously getting hit with over hand rights and his eye started to swell AFTER rnd one , midway through the second rnd and you could see the difference when he was sitting on his stool .

Duhaupas outlanded Wilder in rnd one ,walking him down taking the harder punches .


In round 2 it was several right hands causing Wilders eye to swell even though Duhaupas lost the rnd .


The eye got worse after a Duhaupas right hand in the 4th rnd , you can literally see it closing..he WON that rnd but it was a great rnd according to the commentary ? lol

O.K I'll stop there .

Wilder was hit by far the most in this fight than any other , no ones dis*****g who won but clearly Wilder loses more than one round .


Ortiz was his toughest challenge but when you have ONE eye half way through the fight it MAKES it a more dangerous fight .

" if you’ve watched the fight you’d know this "

[Jimmy gold]

If it’s true that wilders team is no bluff they should accept this new offer if not no fight for wilder