Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo-Charlo, Khan-Broner, GGG-Vanes

[aboutfkntime]

But I will take your word. If you say Big Stomp is an idiot, he must be an idiot.

Lol.. the Ether.

But Cuadras’s back acne, along with his hyper attitude always made me suspect him

Are the Charlos su****ious then? those two are always in a rage and boiling angry. Is it the Hulk juice?

refusing a test is the same as failing one.

Manny PEDquiao.

Malignaggi trained at Wild Card and it’s almost like he dares Manny to publicly challenge him. Manny never does……

Interesting. Why doesn't Manny sue Paulie into oblivion?

once Arum realized that Mayweather would never relinquish his testing demands..... he also realized that Mayweather would have to be Pac's final opponent..... or close to it

he knew what Mayweather would do to a clean Pacquiao

the lawsuit effectively killed any chance of a negotiation happening, and it offered the semblance of a defence.....

they did not sue Malignaggi..... because they were not trying to avoid fighting Malignaggi

[aboutfkntime]

The hair test is not useful for the period of one month prior to the test. That part of the hair is still in the scalp. It also will not show one time use. Coke and weed shows up after 3 uses. Other drugs can take up to 12.

dayummm

so it looks like Canelo may have been telling the truth

I would love to see a link for that if you have more info

I thought it was su****ious that Canelo's hair follicle test was clean, couldn't figure out why they were insisting that proved his clen contamination was accidental

personally, I'm not sure if it 100% proves anything..... I would like Canelo to be clean..... but I have no problem with him being banned for 6 months, either for accidental contamination or intentional

a 6 month ban is about right for accidental contamination, but a fighter should get a longer ban for intentional abuse

[Scary_canary]

But I will take your word. If you say Big Stomp is an idiot, he must be an idiot.

Lol.. the Ether.

But Cuadras’s back acne, along with his hyper attitude always made me suspect him

Are the Charlos su****ious then? those two are always in a rage and boiling angry. Is it the Hulk juice?

refusing a test is the same as failing one.

Manny PEDquiao.

Malignaggi trained at Wild Card and it’s almost like he dares Manny to publicly challenge him. Manny never does……

Interesting. Why doesn't Manny sue Paulie into oblivion?

Cuadras hyper attitude lol... what does that have to do with peds? The guy got done for recreational drugs not peds.... which would also explain the hyper attitude...

[skelva]

so why don't you do a run down of Floyd Mayweather's PED usage like the one you did on Manny. Don't forget Floyd's PEDs usage was well documented and covered up. What about the cheating he was caught doing for the Manny's fight. It's surprising how much you guys try to diminish Manny's accomplishments in the ring and praise a guy as TBE who just nuked his way to hundreds of millions under the guise that he cared about the fans when it's obvious he was all about safety and money, PBF.

[skelva]

waste of time

Manny didn't sue Paulie because Paulie has nothing.

[santosonly7]

Shamefully ignoring the elephant in the room

Funny how this article is largely about Manny though he has never tested positive, has never been exposed taking ANYTHING on the WADA banned substance and methods list while being tested by VADA. Even with all of that, some still question whether Manny was on something illegal?? Meanwhile, Floyd Mayweather is mentioned favorably in the article. Wait, you mean the same Floyd that had two testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio tests that were unusually low which can be a sign that synthetic epitestosterone has been administered to cover up the use of synthetic testosterone, (a banned substance). This is fact. One test was for the Ortiz fight the other for the Robert G fight. ON TOP OF THAT, during Manny's lawsuit against Floyd, Manny's lawyers wanted to unseal documents that would shed light on a rumor that Floyd tested positive in one of his samples. Instead of the "ambassador of clean boxing" being transparent, Floyd offered to pay a settlement if Manny's lawyers WOULD CEASE AND DESIST TRYING TO UNSEAL THE DOCUMENTS. In other words, Floyd wanted the documents to remain hidden. What was Floyd trying to hide? Floyd was so passionate on keeping these documents sealed that he ended up paying more than what the settlement required (yep!) Why would he do that? While calling into question someone who has never been linked to any illegalities, you skip right over the biggest name in boxing.

Wait, but there is more ... On top of all of the aforementioned, Floyd, the biggest name in boxing and "the ambassador of clean boxing" shows up to the biggest fight in boxing with a WADA banned IV in his arm. What?!!? That was world breaking news. No personal opinions, no biased feelings, straight up fact. But none of that was mentioned in this article. And why the su****ion on Manny? Because Manny didn't sue Paulie M. WHAT?!!. Because Manny didn't sue Paulie(?) Do you know how many jumped on the Floyd bandwagon, when Floyd baselessly accused Manny of cheating? There were myriads of individuals jumping on that bandwagon. Was Manny to sue ALL of them? If he did so, do you honestly believe that in and of itself would that have proven he was a clean fighter? Do you know how much time that would take? Manny is a senator and a world class fighter. When would he have time? Instead of going after every Tom ****, and Harry, that parroted Floyd's rhetoric, Manny went after the big fish and cut the head off the snake. How did things play out? It was Floyd that that was required to pay Manny because, in the court case, Manny went after Floyds testing documents and Floyd wanted them to remain hidden. But what is also interesting is there were no scandelous testing documents Floyd could go after, maybe because Manny was clean after all and like Lebron James is just simply a freak of nature (Yes. Lebron James is slightly bigger than Deonte Wilder, yet Lebron runs the court like a point gaurd and is the best on the court and sometimes the fastest AFTER 15 YEARS IN THE LEAGUE. Is James taking steroids too? LOL He's just a freak of nature just like history's only 8 division champion.) Meanwhile, it was Floyd that was later exposed taking a WADA banned illegal IV and PAULIE SAID NOTHING. No assumptions, no opinions, this was fact and PAULIE SAID NOTHING. Instead, he tried to make excuses for the "ambassador of a clean sport" getting caught taking a banned IV. So suing Paulie would not have meant much especially with his word being diminished by those calling him a hypocrite because of his inconsistency.

What about that TUE Floyd was granted? Did that exonerate him? Well, the TUE was granted EIGHTEEN DAYS AFTER THE IV WAS TAKEN and it was not granted by the NASC. It was provided by USADA. That is problematic for two reasons: In Nevada, a drug testing agency is not authorized to provide TUEs only the NSAC. 2. USADA was being paid by Floyd out of his own pocket. So let me get this straight: Floyd takes a WADA banned IV and those he's paying (essentially his employees) approve the illegal IV. That is extremely problematic. But it gets worse: While this article condemned Cuadras for not taking a test, Floyd essentially did something similar. At the time and currently, the strictest most successful drug tests are being performed by VADA not USADA. It was Manny that suggested that they use VADA. Floyd declined, wanting to use the agency he was paying out of his own pocket. Not wanting to use the best and instead wanting to use those that had a conflict of interest should have been covered in this article as well.

Let me ask you this, how many athletes would be caught cheating if they were paying the agencies directly to provide them TUEs like hall passes? To drive the point home, what if, after all of what Mayweather said about Manny, Manny gets caught with a PED masking IV and an agency Manny was paying out of his own pocket provides a bogus TUE after not disclosing to the commission or to Floyd that he had taken the IV? Floyd fans would have had an aneurysm. Let's use another analogy, how would you view a politician that is accused of illegalities and he hires a private investigator who mysteriously says that evidence of wrong doing should simply be ignored? How would you view that finding of "innocence"? I now there are several politicians out there right now that wished they had Floyd's USADA deal.

But the article did make a stellar observation and deserves credit for doing so. While being tested by an impartial, best in class, highly successful VADA, a past his prime Manny continued to floor, beat down and dominate P4P champions. Now if Manny was able to do that between 34-39, between 146-160 (opponents fight night weight)) while being validated as clean by VADA, then SCIENTIFICALLY a younger prime Manny would have been able to KD, TKO and KO fighters 145lbs and BELOW.

Point is this, there is more evidence that Manny has been a clean fighter than Mayweather and there is more evidence that Mayweather has been dirty than Manny. Let the evidence guide the assumptions, not feelings.

[buge]

I called this ****er LittleStump out when I was in LA and he was scared to come over, said he thought I was wanting some gay sex, lol. Go away.

[StephenM]

dayummm

so it looks like Canelo may have been telling the truth

I would love to see a link for that if you have more info

I thought it was su****ious that Canelo's hair follicle test was clean, couldn't figure out why they were insisting that proved his clen contamination was accidental

personally, I'm not sure if it 100% proves anything..... I would like Canelo to be clean..... but I have no problem with him being banned for 6 months, either for accidental contamination or intentional

a 6 month ban is about right for accidental contamination, but a fighter should get a longer ban for intentional abuse

So, good info is hard to find. I got this from Lexology which is a legal site that "delivers the most comprehensive source of international legal updates, analysis and insights.". I found this article on their site. Notice that it doesn't deal with Clenbuterol but with recreational drugs. I'm guessing that it applies for Clen. http://www.hopgoodganim.com.au/page/...18_March_2015/

[Kali_KO]

Another great column by Breadman, I agree Vanes not an easy fight and only bashed by GGG haters. He was supposed to fight Sulecki, before the polish fighter pulled out to fight Jacobs. He was favored to beat Sulecki because he was in with much better competition, draw with Lara, many people thought he beat Charlo. Polish guy undefeated against nobodies, but nobody complained about Jacobs picking a 154 pounder. jacobs should have taken that Polish guy out, he’s just not the same after going 12 rounds with GGG. Jacobs gets 2 easy touches after GGG and looks gunshy after getting dropped by GGG and punched hard for 12 rounds. He needed sunglasses at the post fight Presser and now doesn’t have the fire that he did against Quillin. Quillin was much better than these last 2 opponents and Jacobs now very cautious after tasting GGG power. GGG should beat Vanes, but won’t be as easy as the haters making it out to be. Breadman knows it’s not easy to change opponents in the middle of camp and Vanes a very hungry and dangerous guy if GGG not 100% focused. Funnt how Stomps got called out, looks like he will be little stomp now. Good thing they only tested Canelo hair for Clem as they didn’t want to end his career. Probably was the meat, but what was he doing before eating that big Mexican Cow? Hope that rematch happens in Sept with continuous testing and we can see what Canelo body looks like then.

[aboutfkntime]

Another great column by Breadman, I agree Vanes not an easy fight and only bashed by GGG haters. He was supposed to fight Sulecki, before the polish fighter pulled out to fight Jacobs. He was favored to beat Sulecki because he was in with much better competition, draw with Lara, many people thought he beat Charlo. Polish guy undefeated against nobodies, but nobody complained about Jacobs picking a 154 pounder. jacobs should have taken that Polish guy out, he’s just not the same after going 12 rounds with GGG. Jacobs gets 2 easy touches after GGG and looks gunshy after getting dropped by GGG and punched hard for 12 rounds. He needed sunglasses at the post fight Presser and now doesn’t have the fire that he did against Quillin. Quillin was much better than these last 2 opponents and Jacobs now very cautious after tasting GGG power. GGG should beat Vanes, but won’t be as easy as the haters making it out to be. Breadman knows it’s not easy to change opponents in the middle of camp and Vanes a very hungry and dangerous guy if GGG not 100% focused. Funnt how Stomps got called out, looks like he will be little stomp now. Good thing they only tested Canelo hair for Clem as they didn’t want to end his career. Probably was the meat, but what was he doing before eating that big Mexican Cow? Hope that rematch happens in Sept with continuous testing and we can see what Canelo body looks like then.

nah that is bullshht

Vanes is a JMW, one who has likely seen better days

if Canelo selected Vanes, you excuse-makers would be crying like little girls

if Golovkin will not fight his mando, he should be stripped