Comments Thread For: Hearn To Team Wilder: Is a Contract & Meeting Too Much To Ask?

[Curt Henning]

Did hearn say they have to accept before talks could happen?

hearn knew they would never accept in the first place..t.hats why he made it

dan rafael publicly called the offer a joke and insulting.....hearn knew they would never accept that ....thats the only time hes ever made any offer....its like loeffler telling ward "well if you can make 164"...LOL

[Ake-Dawg]

Here are his exact words. I don't know if it's the best example but it's the first one I could be bothered to find (taking me about 10 seconds to do it)

"If you have the money, show us it now and we can talk [we're] definitely interested. We want to see if it's real, we want to see the money, we want to see where it is and we'll carry on talking"


Evidently, Hearn is interested in taking things forward; the meeting has been cancelled from the other side.

Don't claim that I'm making things up. I don't want to have to waste my time substantiating things that are obvious just to satisfy belligerent people.

You made up the quote about me bro. That's facts. I'm in no way being belligerent. I asked for you to show me something I hadn't seen. In return, you showed me what I had seen. A guy who says he is interested in hearing more about a deal but isn't agreeing to the principal structure to.

First he challenged where the money was going to come from. Finkel said he would show him but only after he agreed to the money split. Then he said well, I'm interested but I need to know the details before I can agree to anything. That includes the money split.

So it's basically, I will agree to the money split, but only if all AJs sponsors are happy, if it's at a location where the crowd is likely to be neutral or pro Joshua, and if I can co-promote so I can bring in my own revenue that you get no parts of.

[Redgloveman]

did hearn request one before or when he made the offer? of course not

did finkel? no why would he request a meeting over a figure the media called an insult and a joke? why would you request a meeting with a guy that showed he wasnt serious with his public, insulting, offer?

That's not how contract negotiations work. You don't just send an offer and call a meeting. The offer is the opening point of negotiations. If the other side say "let's talk about this offer" and you say "go **** yourselves" it doesn't look like you are particularly interested in making a contract in good faith.

This makes sense, right?

[Curt Henning]

You made up the quote about me bro. That's facts. I'm in no way being belligerent. I asked for you to show me something I hadn't seen. In return, you showed me what I had seen. A guy who says he is interested in hearing more about a deal but isn't agreeing to the principal structure to.

First he challenged where the money was going to come from. Finkel said he would show him but only after he agreed to the money split. Then he said well, I'm interested but I need to know the details before I can agree to anything. That includes the money split.

So it's basically, I will agree to the money split, but only if all AJs sponsors are happy, if it's at a location where the crowd is likely to be neutral or pro Joshua, and if I can co-promote so I can bring in my own revenue that you get no parts of.

these guy will never admit it...but clearly they can see it too

hearn wants no parts of letting wilders people have control...in fact it probably eats at him just the thought of it

he got his card pulled

the guy made joke offers in public that the media called a joke...then the other side came back with the figure joshua himself said hed gladly take...now hes squirming even more and rambling

remember how hearn barred wilder from the ring? then when wilder decided he wouldnt show up cause of it hearn ran his mouth "where is wilder where are you"?

this is no different.....hearn got the figure he wanted and wont agree in principle but now hes crying because they wont meet with him

[Patsfan bri]

Upfront as in have the money waiting in escrow or some ****.

It's not a guarantee if you have to rely on the gate/PPV sales to get it FFS. The clue is in the name.

Yes it is real simple. Lay the full offer out on the table and they will decide if they want to accept. If they don't they have something to hide. It's that simple.

but again , has any fighter ever had money upfront in any form ??? I mean they ask for 50 they get the offer now all of a sudden it’s a Publicity stunt. 2 weeks ago Hearn didn’t ask for money upfront?

[Curt Henning]

heres hearn

"we dont wilder in our ring"....hearn goes on to pull all strings to make sure wilder cant get near the ring....wilder decides since that happened he aint gonna bother to show up

after the fight "wheres wilder...where are you deontay"????



heres AJ "ill gladly take 50 mil in a heartbeat....please"

wilders people "we got the 50 mil for you ....just agree in principle to take that and let us pick the venue"

"wheres the money from? uhhh...im worried about wilder...i cant agree to this....it doesnt make sense i think this is a PR stunt"

finkel and company say **** it then....dont come to us till youre ready to be serious and agree in principle

"where you guys at now? i want a meeting i said"

hearn always talking after the fact....guy couldnt say "ya thats cool we will do that...lets hammer out the details"..instead he said EVERYTHING BUT THAT.....now cries that they wont meet when hes just continued to insult them

what a twat

[Redgloveman]

You made up the quote about me bro. That's facts. I'm in no way being belligerent. I asked for you to show me something I hadn't seen. In return, you showed me what I had seen. A guy who says he is interested in hearing more about a deal but isn't agreeing to the principal structure to.

First he challenged where the money was going to come from. Finkel said he would show him but only after he agreed to the money split. Then he said well, I'm interested but I need to know the details before I can agree to anything. That includes the money split.

So it's basically, I will agree to the money split, but only if all AJs sponsors are happy, if it's at a location where the crowd is likely to be neutral or pro Joshua, and if I can co-promote so I can bring in my own revenue that you get no parts of.

As for the quote, I did say that I thought "from memory" that you had said it yourself. Apologies if you didn't, but I was just putting across what the majority of Wilder-side posters were saying. I think the way I put it demonstrates that I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.

But the point stands, you can't really force Hearn to accept legal responsibility for a deal which he isn't privy to - nor can you claim that he has shown an unwillingness to negotiate.

I actually think that Wilder's side don't want the fight yet and they've made a mistake here. I don't think Hearn wants the fight yet either, but he's going to make the most of this opportunity to capitalise on what amounts to a PR blunder.

I favour Wilder in the fight (which is all that really matters), but his handlers are not doing a good job at the moment. As much as I don't like the guy, Hearn is winning the PR war

[Ake-Dawg]

With respect, it's not.

It may be the worst you can anticipate, but that doesn't make it true.

Again, as above, the fight will never happen if one side insists on pre conditions to an actual meeting.

So saying let's agree to the money split and letting us control location before we sit down is an egregious precondition?

Is agreeing to co-promote or not an egregious precondition? I ask because in boxing flat fees and purse guarantees generally mean NO co-promotion.

[Robbie Barrett]

but again , has any fighter ever had money upfront in any form ??? I mean they ask for 50 they get the offer now all of a sudden it’s a Publicity stunt. 2 weeks ago Hearn didn’t ask for money upfront?

The clip Wilder put in his tweet of the offer shows Joshua asking for 50 mil UPFRONT.

.@anthonyfjoshua Mate! I sent this personally this time just so there’s no miscommunication. Tell @EddieHearn to let you personally check his email this time. BTW I sent Your manager Rob McCracken the email as well. I’m looking forward to our meeting in the ring. #KingVsKing pic.twitter.com/WbH8SB5Qm5

— Deontay Wilder (@BronzeBomber) April 25, 2018

[juggernaut666]

did hearn have a meeting with finkel and company when he offered 12.5 flat fee?

Team Wilder openly admitting they would not chase Joshua and make a counter offer to that .


Dont you see the differences when one side lays out a REAL deal and requests negotiations while one side goes silent , cancels meetings , denies face to face negotiations and advises their fighter not to go to the U.K that he was being paid to do with an open mic at ringside ?