I think a lot of people owe Canelo an apology

[maracho]

I've been letting this dude go off ranting and raving about WADA labs being terrible and the SMRTL lab in particular being horrendous:














But who does he give credit to for busting Canelo??? VADA:







SO SMRTL IS SHlT....BUT WHO DOES HE THINK ANALYZED THE SAMPLES THAT BUSTED CANELO....NOT WADA...BUT VADA. ONLY ONE PROBLEM:

VADA USED THE SALT LAKE CITY (SMRTL) LAB, YOU IMBECILE!!!


So please explain to me...why would "shady" SMRTL protect and overturn Canelo's postive test.....when they were the one who busted him in the first place?????

Ive already shown that different WADA affiliates have different levels of yes-men and in another thread I showed the debates and competitions between the different labs

Bottom line is that VADA may go by WADA regulations and use the same labs but they are not WADA and they make all the decisions concerning their samples, which WADA Salt Lake dont want to chance

http://vada-testing.org/forms/vada_results_management_policy_v10-26-12.pdf

[travestyny]

USADA cant even afford CIR most of the time even though they get $10000000 from us. A half million goes to Tygart by the way..no wonder..lol

Oh....One more before I go. Sorry...couldn't help it.

Mr. Hauser fails to attribute this information to a source or specifically identify a time when USADA has stated that CIR testing is "unnecessary" or "too expensive." In fact, USADA performs extensive CIR testing as part of the professional boxing testing programs it conducts and has never declined to administer CIR testing. All 22 urine samples collected during the Mayweather/Pacquiao testing program were tested by CIR and for EPO. Indeed, every professional boxer USADA has ever tested has been tested using the CIR methodology.

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/upl...Tom-Hauser.pdf

From May 23rd — 3 months before Hauser's Article

According to records provided by the Nevada Athletic Commisison, each man gave 11 urine and eight blood samples. Among the special analyses given to the samples were Carbon Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (CIR/IRMS) testing as well as tests to detect usage of EPO and human growth hormone.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxin...182400390.html

[travestyny]

Ive already shown that different WADA affiliates have different levels of yes-men and in another thread I showed the debates and competitions between the different labs

Bottom line is that VADA may go by WADA regulations and use the same labs but they are not WADA and they make all the decisions concerning their samples, which WADA Salt Lake dont want to chance

You were just shltting all over WADA Salt Lake......but your dumb ass didn't realize that's the lab VADA used to catch Canelo!


Get out of here. It's over!!!


1. OWNED about a "WADA accredited labs in the Phils"
2. OWNED for shltting on SMRTL not realizing that VADA used SMRTL to catch Canelo.
3. OWNED claiming that USADA doesn't do CIR Testing.


I could go on....but I'll leave it at that. When you want to come back and admit that you are wrong about those things, I'll think about teaching you about your other many mistakes here, son.

R.I.P.

[maracho]

You were just shltting all over WADA Salt Lake......but your dumb ass didn't realize that's the lab VADA used to catch Canelo!


Get out of here. It's over!!!


1. OWNED about a "WADA accredited labs in the Phils"
2. OWNED for shltting on SMRTL not realizing that VADA used SMRTL to catch Canelo.
3. OWNED claiming that USADA doesn't do CIR Testing.


I could go on....but I'll leave it at that. When you want to come back and admit that you are wrong about those things, I'll think about teaching you about your other many mistakes here, son.

R.I.P.

Oh....One more before I go. Sorry...couldn't help it.

From May 23rd — 3 months before Hauser's Article

Oh....One more before I go. Sorry...couldn't help it.
From May 23rd — 3 months before Hauser's Article

Again, its looking like it doesnt matter if they use the same Yes-labs. What matters is who's lobbying them.

Again, they didn’t do CIR testing on Jones until after Conte’s twitter storm and then his T/E were on par to a little girl, which indicated that he could no longer produce testosterone naturally. However, the WADA lab head Ayotte claimed to find nothing abnormal and WADA chief **** Storm defended her opinion. Anyways, like I said the UCLA CIR test are vastly better than Ayotte’s and Salt Lake's yet they are the one's that WADA punishes/keeps out of the Olympics

Anyway I see you deleted the fallowing questions from my post, which was my whole premise from the beginning:

So what do you think the WADA-SEARADO-PHIL.ADA affiliation is all about?

Do you really think Korea's KADA or even our own tax paid USADA can afford to send people around the world to make all those random blood draws and watch all those Olympians pee?

[travestyny]

Again, its looking like it doesnt matter if they use the same Yes-labs. What matters is who's lobbying them.

The quality of work that the lab does doesn't change based on who is administering the tests. The en****** can ask for different things to be done, but the quality of the tests will be the same. For you to imply that SMRTL would do shoddy work and "not be able to find marijuana" under one entity (NSAC) but be able to do a great job under another (VADA) is beyond ******ed.

Again, they didn’t do CIR testing on Jones until after Conte’s twitter storm and then his T/E were on par to a little girl, which indicated that he could no longer produce testosterone naturally. However, the WADA lab head Ayotte claimed to find nothing abnormal and WADA chief **** Storm defended her opinion. Anyways, like I said the UCLA CIR test are vastly better than Ayotte’s and Salt Lake's yet they are the one's that WADA punishes/keeps out of the Olympics

You really have to learn what you are talking about. THE WADA LABS DO NOT CALL FOR AN ATHLETE TO BE TESTED! THEY DO NOT DECIDE WHAT TESTS WILL BE RUN ON SAMPLES. Get your fvvcking facts straight. USADA DIDN'T CONDUCT THE TEST ON JON JONES. IF USADA DID, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN CIR TESTING. NSAC IS THE ENTITY THAT REQUESTED THE TESTS AND THEY DID NOT INITIALLY ASK FOR CIR TESTING.

LOOK AT THE HIGHLIGHTED PART IN YOUR QUOTE. DO YOU REALIZE HOW DUMB THAT IS. THE UCLA LAB AND THE SMRTL LAB ARE BOTH WADA ACCREDITED LABS AND THEY HAVE TO MEET WADA'S STANDARDS. NO, YOU FOOL, ONE CIR TEST WAS NOT BETTER THAN ANOTHER CIR TEST. Christine Ayotte doesn't even work for SMRTL. She works for the lab in Montreal! This is why you need to stop sending me messages. You are two fvccking dumb to understand anything of what you are saying!!!!

Anyway I see you deleted the fallowing questions from my post, which was my whole premise from the beginning:

You had no premise from the beginning. Your premise here has only been ******ity.

So what do you think the WADA-SEARADO-PHIL.ADA affiliation is all about?

What do I think about it? I think it's great! There is a support system for smaller countries in South East Asia. Wonderful!

What the fvvck does that have to do with there being no WADA accredited lab in the Philippines, as you said there was. I have no opinion about WADA-SEARDO-PHIL.ADA. Why would I???? It had nothing to do with this conversation. It was only your ******ity in trying desperately to say that there is a WADA Accredited lab in the Philippines which I've proven there is not. Now stop with the bullshlt and admit that you are wrong!

Do you really think Korea's KADA or even our own tax paid USADA can afford to send people around the world to make all those random blood draws and watch all those Olympians pee?

What the actual fvvck are you talking about? Send who all around the world? You dummy. The fight was in the United States. Pacquiao spent most of his time training in the United States.


IF THERE WAS SOMETHING DEEMED A MAJOR PROBLEM THAT WOULD PREVENT USADA FROM TESTING PACQUIAO.......THEN GUESS WHAT....THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TESTED HIM 19 TIMES WHEN THE FIGHT EVENTUALLY DID HAPPEN. DID THESE PROBLEMS YOU PRESENT SUDDENLY GO AWAY????


YOU SHOULD SUDDENLY GO AWAY. IT'S OVER. I'M TIRED OF KICKING YOU AROUND THIS THREAD!!!

[travestyny]

WADA Accredited Lab : a laboratory that accepts all major credit cards as payment. Specifically cards with the WADA logo in which customers receive reward points towards future purchases.



I think he means Pacquiao didn't have an email address and couldn't sign up as a rewards member.

Look at this gem from the new Village idiot:

the UCLA CIR test are vastly better than Ayotte’s and Salt Lake's

He's done a study and found that UCLA's CIR test is better than the CIR test of the WADA Lab in Montreal and the CIR test of the SMRTL lab.

Didn't know we had an insider here. My CIR test is better than your CIR test...though we all have to meet WADA standards.

[travestyny]

Proof you have no idea what you are talking about!!!!

Your statement: USADA Should have CIR tested Jones up front.

USADA is notorious for admittig CIR is to expensive. However CIR is why you were all wrong in our last debate on Mayweather and Jones Testosterone levels which USADA should have CIR tested up front but conveniently dont

Me correcting you. USADA DID NOT conduct the test on Jones. NSAC did!

USADA DIDN'T CONDUCT THE TEST ON JON JONES. IF USADA DID, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN CIR TESTING. NSAC IS THE ENTITY THAT REQUESTED THE TESTS AND THEY DID NOT INITIALLY ASK FOR CIR TESTING.

Now, the confirmation!

Anti-doping expert: With 'odd' testosterone readings, CIR test needed on Jones' samples

Called CIR for short, the test detects the presence of synthetic testosterone in the body. It is typically a more expensive test, and in the case of the NSAC, is only ordered in the case of a positive result that is challenged.

Despite his su****ions, Catlin said Jones’ T/E ratio could be “perfectly normal.” He added, however, that the agency that ordered the test needed to go further than simply measuring the ratio.

As to why the NSAC might not have looked further into the level, Catlin dismissed the idea that it was because Jones’ T/E was below 6-to-1.

“It’s probably because they didn’t know what they were doing,” he said. “They really don’t understand this thing at all. It’s way beyond them.”

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/01/anti-doping-expert-with-odd-testosterone-readings-cir-test-needed-on-jones-sample

By the way, he also agreed that the levels could be perfectly normal!!!!!

AND THIS IS CERTAINLY BEYOND YOU, TOO. ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG!:

1. ABOUT SAYING THERE IS A WADA ACCREDITED LAB IN THE PHILIPPINES.

2. ABOUT USADA NOT DOING CIR TESTING.

3. ABOUT USADA DOING THE ABOVE MENTIONED TESTS FOR JON JONES.

4. ABOUT ONE WADA LAB'S CIR TESTING BEING BETTER THAN ANOTHER WADA LAB'S CIR TESTING.

5. ABOUT SMRTL BEING BETTER WHEN USED BY VADA THAN WHEN BEING USED BY USADA...


I COULD PROBABLY GO ON. JUST ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG, TUCK YOUR TAIL, AND LIMP OUT OF HERE ALREADY!

[maracho]

The quality of work that the lab does doesn't change based on who is administering the tests. The en****** can ask for different things to be done, but the quality of the tests will be the same. For you to imply that SMRTL would do shoddy work and "not be able to find marijuana" under one entity (NSAC) but be able to do a great job under another (VADA) is beyond ******ed.

And I guess youve never heard of sport's favoritism like letting Canelo fight consistently fight smaller guys, or racketeer title shots, corrupt judges like the one who had him ahead of Mayweather , or how Mayweather had him lose so much weight he had to sit during the weigh-in,etc . Ignorance must be bliss..lol

You really have to learn what you are talking about. THE WADA LABS DO NOT CALL FOR AN ATHLETE TO BE TESTED! THEY DO NOT DECIDE WHAT TESTS WILL BE RUN ON SAMPLES. Get your fvvcking facts straight. USADA DIDN'T CONDUCT THE TEST ON JON JONES. IF USADA DID, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN CIR TESTING. NSAC IS THE ENTITY THAT REQUESTED THE TESTS AND THEY DID NOT INITIALLY ASK FOR CIR TESTING.

Likewise, 99% of what you are accusing me of saying here is false but as Ive shown USADA and VADA regulate the tests from beginning to end. I mean how can you claim that WADA calls the shots but USADA, VADA, etc..do nothing, which is just silly. http://vada-testing.org/forms/vada_r..._v10-26-12.pdf

You are contradicting yourself. Jone's test was prepared by the Salt Lake lab, which was founded by USADA. Now you tell me that they didnt use CIR to test the testosterone shows the labs do indeed altar their practice in accord to which regulator hired them.

LOOK AT THE HIGHLIGHTED PART IN YOUR QUOTE. DO YOU REALIZE HOW DUMB THAT IS. THE UCLA LAB AND THE SMRTL LAB ARE BOTH WADA ACCREDITED LABS AND THEY HAVE TO MEET WADA'S STANDARDS. NO, YOU FOOL, ONE CIR TEST WAS NOT BETTER THAN ANOTHER CIR TEST. Christine Ayotte doesn't even work for SMRTL. She works for the lab in Montreal! This is why you need to stop sending me messages. You are two fvccking dumb to understand anything of what you are saying!!!!

I clearly distinguished Ayotte from SMRTL and I have already informed you on how UCLA and SMRTL are different with CRI but you only learn what suits you. For instance, UCLA and Australia, etc.. test for four byproducts to indicate a positive test result but the French lab only tested for one metabolite. WADA’s rule book also states tests should have less than a 1% false positive rate but a new study showed that CIR that tests for only 1 metobolite like the French lab have a 30% false positive rate. Two positive metobolites has a 7% false positive rate. Three positive metobolites is 0.68% and four positive metobolities is really low at 0.07%.

You had no premise from the beginning. Your premise here has only been ******ity.

What do I think about it? I think it's great! There is a support system for smaller countries in South East Asia. Wonderful!

Yet you denied it repeatedly

What the fvvck does that have to do with there being no WADA accredited lab in the Philippines, as you said there was. I have no opinion about WADA-SEARDO-PHIL.ADA. Why would I???? It had nothing to do with this conversation. It was only your ******ity in trying desperately to say that there is a WADA Accredited lab in the Philippines which I've proven there is not. Now stop with the bullshlt and admit that you are wrong!

You say its great but have no opinion, thats another contradiction.

What the actual fvvck are you talking about? Send who all around the world? You dummy. The fight was in the United States. Pacquiao spent most of his time training in the United States.

Pacquiao didnt want USDA because it was legit while training in the Philipines. Plus he didnt trust them in the way Tygart kept helping Oscar and the Mayweathers slandering him

IF THERE WAS SOMETHING DEEMED A MAJOR PROBLEM THAT WOULD PREVENT USADA FROM TESTING PACQUIAO.......THEN GUESS WHAT....THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TESTED HIM 19 TIMES WHEN THE FIGHT EVENTUALLY DID HAPPEN. DID THESE PROBLEMS YOU PRESENT SUDDENLY GO AWAY????

Manny simply wanted the fight more and longer than Floyd but then USADA went and pulled a huge medical double standard on him.

YOU SHOULD SUDDENLY GO AWAY. IT'S OVER. I'M TIRED OF KICKING YOU AROUND THIS THREAD!!!

You talk big with bozo gifs but then its just your best defense

[Jubei]

I just got one question for you:

Why is Canelo still not enrolled to VADA year round testing?

[maracho]

Proof you have no idea what you are talking about!!!!

Your statement: USADA Should have CIR tested Jones up front.


Me correcting you. USADA DID NOT conduct the test on Jones. NSAC did!



Now, the confirmation!



By the way, he also agreed that the levels could be perfectly normal!!!!!

AND THIS IS CERTAINLY BEYOND YOU, TOO. ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG!:

1. ABOUT SAYING THERE IS A WADA ACCREDITED LAB IN THE PHILIPPINES.

2. ABOUT USADA NOT DOING CIR TESTING.

3. ABOUT USADA DOING THE ABOVE MENTIONED TESTS FOR JON JONES.

4. ABOUT ONE WADA LAB'S CIR TESTING BEING BETTER THAN ANOTHER WADA LAB'S CIR TESTING.

5. ABOUT SMRTL BEING BETTER WHEN USED BY VADA THAN WHEN BEING USED BY USADA...


I COULD PROBABLY GO ON. JUST ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG, TUCK YOUR TAIL, AND LIMP OUT OF HERE ALREADY!

According to the following, NSAC ordered the test, which was prepared by Salt lake lab

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/01/nsac-releases-cir-report-for-jon-jones-five-drug-tests-before-ufc-182

Whoever , the experts dont agree with and said everything smelt fishy