I think a lot of people owe Canelo an apology

[maracho]

WADA does not test athletes. I've told you this a million times.

You talked a lot of shlt about the SMRTL WADA accredited lab but you don't have a problem with VADA that isn't even a WADA signatory. Hmmm.

Uh,they regulate the test and collect and store results, etc which I keep telling you

Wrong, I have a problem with you incessantly insisting that Manny cant be tested in the Philippines but Canelo training in Mexico can

[maracho]

Did you learn anything in that thread? I put it there to help guys like you.

The one being taught in this thread is you so....

[travestyny]

Doesn’t matter what random users say. It’s all about scientific evidence and most people takes it to lose weight. Foolish? Really? What if Canelo walks around at 185? Would it be far fetched to assume he’d like to start camp at a lower weight? Of course not. It’s highly plausible.

Right. But the point I'm making is we know he was in the initial phase of training....very very beginning. You think he took Clenbuterol and began to cycle off with over 2 months to go before the fight just to get down to 185? Possible...but I'm definitely going to disagree with you saying it's highly plausible. It just doesn't seem to add up at all. Using a PED for about 12 days (I could only find him working out for about 12 days before this). The reason I brought up the gain in weight is when all of this stuff is weighed in, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I know you disagree. We can leave it at that.

Not an expert either, but from what I have skimmed it seems as if the test is very unreliable. I can be moved on this point however.

I was looking at one of the other threads. Conte gave some very convincing information in his tweets.

I called for a hair test because I thought that might solve the case. As indicated above I am not sure any more.

I wasn't aware that you called for the hair test, but now that you mention it, I'm wondering why you have seemed like one of the posters that is more convinced of his guilt. He's had 3 or 4 experts vouch for him, he was at a very low level with 2 months to go, and the hair test done at a WADA accredited lab comes back negative.

I would think that would make people at least want to give the benefit of the doubt.

[travestyny]

The one being taught in this thread is you so....

You still have no idea that you've ****ed up royally.

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[BattlingNelson]

Right. But the point I'm making is we know he was in the initial phase of training....very very beginning. You think he took Clenbuterol and began to cycle off with over 2 months to go before the fight just to get down to 185? Possible...but I'm definitely going to disagree with you saying it's highly plausible. It just doesn't seem to add up at all. Using a PED for about 12 days (I could only find him working out for about 12 days before this). The reason I brought up the gain in weight is when all of this stuff is weighed in, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I know you disagree. We can leave it at that.

We can leave it. All is good buddy.

I was looking at one of the other threads. Conte gave some very convincing information in his tweets.

Just remember that Conte is a Mexican, has supported Canelo throughout and is a convicted doping crook. Knowledgeable? Yes. Credible? Hmmmmm.

I wasn't aware that you called for the hair test,

I don’t know if I have been especially vocal, but for sure I have had the opinion that a hair test could bring some clarity.

Now I’m not so sure (see above)

but now that you mention it, I'm wondering why you have seemed like one of the posters that is more convinced of his guilt. He's had 3 or 4 experts vouch for him, he was at a very low level with 2 months to go, and the hair test done at a WADA accredited lab comes back negative.

Well I have been after ped cheaters all the years I have been on boxingscene, so it’s just standard crusade on my part. Canelo is the highest profiled boxer with a positive test, so I am of course more interested in this case than in a case where Tony Thompson gets caught for some random drugs.

I would think that would make people at least want to give the benefit of the doubt.

There is no doubt. He tested positive for a banned substance the human body does not produce by itself. There is only one responsible for this and that’s Canelo. That’s not debatable.

[maracho]

Right. But the point I'm making is we know he was in the initial phase of training....very very beginning. You think he took Clenbuterol and began to cycle off with over 2 months to go before the fight just to get down to 185? Possible...but I'm definitely going to disagree with you saying it's highly plausible. It just doesn't seem to add up at all. Using a PED for about 12 days (I could only find him working out for about 12 days before this). The reason I brought up the gain in weight is when all of this stuff is weighed in, it doesn't seem to make much sense to me. I know you disagree. We can leave it at that.



I was looking at one of the other threads. Conte gave some very convincing information in his tweets.



I wasn't aware that you called for the hair test, but now that you mention it, I'm wondering why you have seemed like one of the posters that is more convinced of his guilt. He's had 3 or 4 experts vouch for him, he was at a very low level with 2 months to go, and the hair test done at a WADA accredited lab comes back negative.

I would think that would make people at least want to give the benefit of the doubt.

Again, two months of cycling before a long break can have huge effects

http://www.nwac-hq.org/paying-for-clenbuterol/

[travestyny]

I've been letting this dude go off ranting and raving about WADA labs being terrible and the SMRTL lab in particular being horrendous:

USADA WADA has a horrible track record

Bottom line though is WADA is obviously just a racketeering agency

WADA Salt Lake[SMRTL] couldnt even find abundant marijuana

I said my point was simply that wada [the SMRTL lab] didnt find the marijuana

WADA [the SMRTL lab] passed Diaz four times but a non-WADA lab found it.

Now You likewise conveniently argue to use a notoriously shady SMRTL to protect and overturn Canelo's positive PED tests

But who does he give credit to for busting Canelo??? VADA:

I want to know which lab you think busted Canelo in the first place.

Not WADA that found it silly goose but VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency)

SO SMRTL IS SHlT....BUT WHO DOES HE THINK ANALYZED THE SAMPLES THAT BUSTED CANELO....NOT WADA...BUT VADA. ONLY ONE PROBLEM:

The out-of-competition drug testing was administered by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) and the sample was analyzed at the WADA-accredited SMRTL lab in Salt Lake City.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/3/23/17158438/canelo-alvarez-temporarily-suspended-by-nevada-commission-for-drug-test-failures

VADA USED THE SALT LAKE CITY (SMRTL) LAB, YOU IMBECILE!!!


So please explain to me...why would "shady" SMRTL protect and overturn Canelo's postive test.....when they were the one who busted him in the first place?????

[maracho]

You still have no idea that you've ****ed up royally.

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The only thing I see is that for you to see my so called activity on your VADA blog and in the wee hours of the morning, which I dont even recall, means that you had to have had a real morbid fascination with my profile page

[travestyny]

Again, two months of cycling before a long break can have huge effects

http://www.nwac-hq.org/paying-for-clenbuterol/

You need to go read this again. Seriously.

[travestyny]

The only thing I see is that for you to see my so called activity on your VADA blog and in the wee hours of the morning, which I dont even recall, means that you had to have had a real morbid fascination with my profile page

All I see is you embarrassing yourself

Now You likewise conveniently argue to use a notoriously shady SMRTL to protect and overturn Canelo's positive PED tests

WADA Salt Lake[SMRTL] couldnt even find abundant marijuana

I want to know which lab you think busted Canelo in the first place.

Not WADA that found it silly goose but VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency)

AHEMMMMM..............

The out-of-competition drug testing was administered by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) and the sample was analyzed at the WADA-accredited SMRTL lab in Salt Lake City.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/3/2...-test-failures

OOOPSSS!

1. Tell me you were wrong about that WADA accredited lab in the Phils.

2. Explain why SMRTL would protect and overturn Canelo's dirty test when they were the one who busted him in the first place. You didn't know VADA uses WADA accredited labs, you dope!!!

It's over. I'm done with you