THIS ENDS THE HAIR FOLLICLE debate - IT IS UNRELIABLE!

[Cheek busting]

There's a reason they kept the test secret. There was probably a 50/50 chance Canelo would have failed. If he failed we wouldnt have heard a word. Now that he passed its out there. With Canelos hair color the test is pretty much unreliable for Clenbuterol only. They didnt even test for any other substances or at least dont put out that information to the public. This is all extremely shady. Pure damage control.

Hahah yes exactly.

[Cheek busting]

In those studies, they all had varying results. Everyone who used popped but at different levels. Canelo had no levels.

Are people really using a study to supplement hearsay? You can’t use a study to prove something wrong when what you’re proving has ZERO to do with the study. If he had some low levels I’d see the nexus but he has zero. Nothing to variate.

And now it’s some kind of witch hunt? He popped for clen and is trying to prove he didn’t use clen. He passes his test but it’s a sham because they didn’t tesf him for other unrelated things? What kind of logic is this?

If you were accused of a singular crime..stole a car for example and literally that was it. Why would they try you for an unrelated murder? Do you realize what you’re saying? No offense man but lets keep it objective here.

It’s looking like Canelo may be telling the truth and judging from that Victor Conte post, it’s a legitimate form of testing. Again, from what it seems, there’s a variation for levels that come back but there seems to ALWAYS be levels that come back. Nowhere have I seen that it is so unreliable that some people come back negative. It’s like saying a woman is only a little bit pregnant.

If he’s innocent then great for him. If he isn’t, that’s too bad.

If I’m Canelo though, I get as much proof as I can of my (presumed) innocence and go on a mass lawsuit spree on everyone who attacked his character/defamed a la Pac-Floyd.

Anyway...I mean... zero traces kind of speaks for itself and completely refutes the variation portion it would seem. Unless there’s variation between zero levels and I misread the study, it’s still reaching at best to think he’d be one of the anomalies to test for zero.

It shows that hair testing is unreliable.

Also - Canelo's hair is pretty short, so who knows how far it even dated back?

He took the test a full month and a half after he popped.

Also, who conducted the test? How long was the hair strand?

Has Canelo used any hair products that would destroy the evidence in his hair?

Sorry - just not convinced.

He popped dirty for Clen, and anybody with common sense realizes the most likely reason why is because he was trying to get a competitive advantage.

This is great PR by Oscar, but nobody is buying it. Forever Canelo will be known as somebody who tried to cheat.

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[Robbie Barrett]

The hair test

There has been a push in some quarters to use the “hair test” in order to convict or clear Canelo. To hear it told, this hair test is the answer to every question. In reality, hair testing for clenbuterol isn’t used for a reason; it’s incredibly unreliable.

The amount of clenbuterol that shows up in hair varies massively depending on factors like hair color. One study gave a group of people the same amount of clenbuterol. One participant, a 27-year-old female, showed 23 ng/g of clenbuterol in her hair afterwards. Another participant, also a 27-year-old female, showed 161 ng/g of clenbuterol in her hair. They both took the exact same amount, but one had seven times as much in her sample. The suggested reason for this discrepancy? The women had different hair color. This hair color discrepancy was supported by the other data in the study.

That might sound ridiculous, but other studies have found the same thing.

Another study, with more participants, found that even among subjects with similar hair color, the variation is still large. Despite every subject having hair listed as “brown” or “dark brown”, this study also found significant variation:

The lowest detected amount of clenbuterol in the first segment of hair was 0.43 pg/ng, the largest amount was 4.76 pg/ng. Both of these subjects had hair classed as “brown,” and both took the same amount of clenbuterol in the same way. That’s a difference of an entire order of magnitude. A similar issue was found in the second segments, which ranged from a detected amount of 0.00 pg/ng to 0.86 pg/ng.

Tests that have results varying by so much even under a controlled conditions are not reliable tests. The idea that they would somehow give us the information we need to determine if Canelo accidentally or deliberately ingested clenbuterol is ridiculous.

How much clen and for how long did they give it to the people in the study? The hair test was to prove Canelo hadn't been taking it on purpose to lose weight. His hair would show that if he had.

Cleared.

[Mr. 29K]

Cheek busting is an idiot.

First the village idiots be like: “hare test, pleees”

.... Results come clean .....

“Hare test no goods”

[Cheek busting]

How much clen and for how long did they give it to the people in the study? The hair test was to prove Canelo hadn't been taking it on purpose to lose weight. His hair would show that if he had.

Cleared.

Not sure I didn't further look into the studies. but we know they were all given the exact same amount, and tested at the exact same time.

With such huge deviations in results (from a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT, where they ingested the exact same amount and were tested at the exact same time), shows us that in a real-life scenario, they simply can't be trusted.

Conte attempting to draw a parallel to "the difference in T/E ratios between Asian and Black men" is obtuse, and a FAIL. WE KNOW there is a difference, on average, and we can predictably expect such results. And the results are WELL within a standard deviation. These numbers were all over the place - huge variations!


Moreover, the tests were conducted an entire month-and-a-half after he tested dirty... Although it CAN detect up to 90 days, it doesn't necessarily mean that IT WILL detect up to 90 days (see second paragraph about unreliably and skewed results from a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT).

Finally, simple hair products can inhibit the substances from being detected in a hair test.

I simply don't buy that he did not intentionally ingest Clen to get a competitive advantage, nor did the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Forever Canelo will have on his record that he cheated.

It is wot it is, doe.. I'm convinced a lot of top boxers either experiment with PEDs, or constantly cycle on and off of them. Most are just smart enough to avoid detection - Canelo wasn't.

Everybody deserves a second chance, doe.. So Canelo will serve his time, and be allowed to come back. He'll just forever be branded a cheater.

[Robbie Barrett]

Not sure I didn't further look into the studies. but we know they were all given the exact same amount, and tested at the exact same time.

With such huge deviations in results (from a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT, where they ingested the exact same amount and were tested at the exact same time), shows us that in a real-life scenario, they simply can't be trusted.

Conte attempting to draw a parallel to "the difference in T/E ratios between Asian and Black men" is obtuse, and a FAIL. WE KNOW there is a difference, on average, and we can predictably expect such results. And the results are WELL within a standard deviation. These numbers were all over the place - huge variations!


Moreover, the tests were conducted an entire month-and-a-half after he tested dirty... Although it CAN detect up to 90 days, it doesn't necessarily mean that IT WILL detect up to 90 days (see second paragraph about unreliably and skewed results from a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT).

Finally, simple hair products can inhibit the substances from being detected in a hair test.

I simply don't buy that he did not intentionally ingest Clen to get a competitive advantage, nor did the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Forever Canelo will have on his record that he cheated.

It is wot it is, doe.. I'm convinced a lot of top boxers either experiment with PEDs, or constantly cycle on and off of them. Most are just smart enough to avoid detection - Canelo wasn't.

Everybody deserves a second chance, doe.. So Canelo will serve his time, and be allowed to come back. He'll just forever be branded a cheater.

But it did show up in tests. If Canelo had been taking Clen for weeks in doses for weight loss it would have shown up in his hair. It didn't he was cleared. Meat contamination is pretty much proven.

[Cheek busting]

Cheek busting is an idiot.

First the village idiots be like: “hare test, pleees”

.... Results come clean .....

“Hare test no goods”

Canelo is a cheater - was not exonerated by the NSAC.

Forever he will be known as somebody who tried to cheat to get a competitive advantage.

DEAL WITH IT.

[bballchump11]

I agree that it's unreliable, but why ask for the test if you weren't going to believe the results in the first place?

[Cheek busting]

But it did show up in tests. If Canelo had been taking Clen for weeks in doses for weight loss it would have shown up in his hair. It didn't he was cleared. Meat contamination is pretty much proven.

Not necessarily. We know how wildly inaccurate they can be.

If one girl had a concentration of something like 100 times greater than the same girl, who ingested the same about, why wouldn't somebody not have anything detected at all? Especially if the amounts were already extremely low to begin with?

Like I said - Canelo was tested a month and a half after he failed. If he stopped taking Clen in early or mid February (as he would have knowing he was about to start being randomly tested) - well, the longest it dates back, the less accurate the test is going to be... it's entirely believable nothing would be detected with how unpredictable these tests are..

It's like saying "Marijuana can be detected up to 30 days in urine." Well, yeah, sure it CAN be. But it doesn't mean that it WILL BE. And the further and further away from that 30-day threshold, the less likely you will be to detect it; this, coupled with a SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN inaccurate test. Well, sorry, doesn't convince me.

NSAC has made their decision - my opinion, nor yours doesn't matter. Canelo is guilty. Forever it will remain that he was dealt a punishment for ingesting Clenbuterol. Deal with it.

[Metho_4u]

Canelo is a cheater - was not exonerated by the NSAC.

Forever he will be known as somebody who tried to cheat to get a competitive advantage.

DEAL WITH IT.

So.... you googled all of this stuff, post it up (clearly with an agenda already) and he's still guilty, even though Conte himself said that was a huge thing for the hair sample to come back clean. What's your degree in again?