IF Fatzeale Rumours are true?

[GhostofDempsey]

Wilder fans will celebrate Brazeale while bashing GGG for Vanes.

[travestyny]

Flat fee or not Finkel said they were preparing a counter offer...which it turns out is fighting someone else lol

Can you show me where Hearn guaranteed it was a $100 million dollar fight? Cos I can show you a video where he states it is too risky to label it a $100 mill fight and better to do more conservative estimations. The $100 million figure is a translation of a figure written about in the british media (£60-75 million in one newspaper). It has no ground reality.

Negotiations are only ongoing because AJ and his team have actually put up an offer.

Isn't it embarrassing having to twist logic to make your opinion count?

If you see my argument, it is based on logic and fact. I don't even bother using my personal opinion on this.

What's embarrassing is all the bullshlt you constantly spew around here, and when you get called out, you disappear or blatantly refuse to answer. Kinda like when you said Wilder turned down this fight 2 times because it was offered with Whyte, and when I called you out on that 3 times, you didn't say a peep.

No one has guaranteed that it is 100million, but Hearn himself did say that it could generate 100 million, right? Right or wrong? I don't have to show you the link for you to concede there, do I? Maybe you should be smart and stop accepting everything Hearn says when it's clear he has been talking out of both sides of his mouth.

And again, you are full of shlt. Your thread title says IF and now you claim the "counter-offer" is fighting someone else. So which is it? Where is the information that he has already made a deal for another fighter? Still waiting for that.


And by the way, way to duck the question. Why is he offering Wilder a flat fee but he hasn't offered anyone else a flat fee. Are you going to answer and not duck this time?

[EnglishOxide]

Why is he offering Wilder a flat fee but he hasn't offered anyone else a flat fee. Are you going to answer and not duck this time?

How do you know he hasn't offered previous Joshua opponents a flat fee? Do you have inside info on the structure of the deals?

It's only because Wilder is ducking that you even care about the flat fee, and that's because you need an excuse for his cowardice. If he asked for and accepted $15m instead would that still be a problem? Of course it wouldn't, you wouldn't give a damn.

Facts are that Joshua's opponents, other than Klitchsko make 4-5 times their highest payday. Wilder and his fans are the only ones to take issue with this so far.

[travestyny]

How do you know he hasn't offered previous Joshua opponents a flat fee? Do you have inside info on the structure of the deals?

It's only because Wilder is ducking that you even care about the flat fee, and that's because you need an excuse for his cowardice. If he asked for and accepted $15m instead would that still be a problem? Of course it wouldn't, you wouldn't give a damn.

Facts are that Joshua's opponents, other than Klitchsko make 4-5 times their highest payday. Wilder and his fans are the only ones to take issue with this so far.

If he did offer previous opponents flat fees, they obviously turned it down, didn't they?


Ok, smart guy. Then explain his cowardly statement.

Hearn said he believes the fight does more than Lennox vs. Tyson.

That fight generated over 100 million.

They are offering a flat fee of 12.5 million.

Let's say the fight does 75 million even.

What percentage is that, and based on that, who is ducking?

I'll wait for your answer.

[travestyny]

Wilder and his fans are the only ones to take issue with this so far.

Wrong. Tell me what's wrong with Fat Dan's statement.

Of course, $12.5 million large is giant money for most people, but for a fight of this magnitude, it is not a serious offer. If Wilder's team -- managers Al Haymon, Shelly Finkel and Jay Deas and promoter Lou DiBella -- accepted the deal, they would be committing malpractice on behalf of their client.

For Team Joshua to take Wilder as a $12.5 million expense without cutting him in for a large percentage of an event that could generate in the high eight figures is a joke. When Joshua faced Joseph Parker to unify their three belts last month, the Parker camp got one-third of the money in the event. Wilder is worth more than that, obviously; he brings the last piece of the undisputed title to the table, he brings a bigger fan base and, on his own, he generates more money than Parker does.

If Parker is worth a third, Wilder is easily worth at least that much and probably even a few more points. His side has stated it knows it's not getting 50-50 and hasn't asked for it, but to be offered a flat fee is not a real offer. It's an offer meant for the Joshua team to be able to run around and say, "Hey, we made an offer, and Team Wilder turned it down." It's called playing games, and it's nothing new in boxing.

[juggernaut666]

I said moobzilla was a pretty rubbish opponent back when AJ was fighting him but that was the champ's 16th pro fight...Wilder in his 40 something fight is fighting an opponent who is probably fatter and worse now than he was back then.

Then again, I have no bias and am consistent.

As you said, these same idiots were posting about how terrible fatzeale was and making fun of his physique...now 2 fights later he is supposedly a worthy title contender.

See how red prick and company have avoided the thread.

What people ignore is Breazeale has one punch altering fight capabilities .

He broke Mansours jaw , Wilder didnt want any part of Mansour .

He TKO'd Izu Ugonoh a VERY powerful puncher whos no midget , he was 6'5 and had better skills then his (THAN ) training partner Parker . Breazeale was also over weight but his strategy of wearing down the much smaller man worked .



If the Wilder fans knew what the actual risk against the 6'7 255 pounder was , they wouldn't be to happy bc its a possible perfect storm to lay out Wilder when you also add he has a score to settle when Wilder and his mob of hoods jumped him .

Lets also remember he has only TWENTY fights .

He also stopped Molina faster than Wilder did with less experience .

I would be looking real carefully at the Hearn offer and Breazeales 85 % K.O percentage if i were Wilder that he will make just about 2 Million off of if hes lucky !

Look at it this way , we all saw how most ppl thought Molina was going to give Joshua a good fight based on Wilder . Wilder HIMSELF called it a 50/50 .....this should tell you to ignore all the fools and just look at whats there .


If he doesn't take the Joshua fight , theres no way im NOT going to want to see someone else flatten him at this point .

Only idiots cant see what the guy is doing , its like dumb and dumbest with his entire following . lol

[juggernaut666]

What's embarrassing is all the bullshlt you constantly spew around here, and when you get called out, you disappear or blatantly refuse to answer. Kinda like when you said Wilder turned down this fight 2 times because it was offered with Whyte, and when I called you out on that 3 times, you didn't say a peep.

No one has guaranteed that it is 100million, but Hearn himself did say that it could generate 100 million, right? Right or wrong? I don't have to show you the link for you to concede there, do I? Maybe you should be smart and stop accepting everything Hearn says when it's clear he has been talking out of both sides of his mouth.

And again, you are full of shlt. Your thread title says IF and now you claim the "counter-offer" is fighting someone else. So which is it? Where is the information that he has already made a deal for another fighter? Still waiting for that.


And by the way, way to duck the question. Why is he offering Wilder a flat fee but he hasn't offered anyone else a flat fee. Are you going to answer and not duck this time?

" Hearn himself did say that it could generate 100 million, right? "

Yea if the fight were ALLOWED to be built up.

No one of any intelligence believes it will be 100 Million IF they fight next .

I dont know what channels you are watching but go back and tell them the juggernaut666 says their ******ed !



"From Eddie Hearn who said it in March. But the caveat is, it'll only make over $100 mil if Wilder signs with Eddie Hearn . "


The above is your PROOF the fight makes a HUNDRED Million ? That is what Hearn said above , which isnt out of possibility bc he THEN can build it , right ?

[EnglishOxide]

If he did offer previous opponents flat fees, they obviously turned it down, didn't they?


Ok, smart guy. Then explain his cowardly statement.

Hearn said he believes the fight does more than Lennox vs. Tyson.

That fight generated over 100 million.

They are offering a flat fee of 12.5 million.

Let's say the fight does 75 million even.

What percentage is that, and based on that, who is ducking?

I'll wait for your answer.

Hearn believes this COULD do huge numbers. Not that it will. It depends on Wilder being promoted well, which he isn't. That's why he is a $2m a fight kind of guy. That's why it's not a $100m fight or anywhere close.

Hearn tried to get Wilder to show his face at the Parker fight to get the Sky hype machine rolling but Wilder *****ed out of it and devalued the fight. Another ****** move by his advisors.

Why the hell would Hearn project the fight generating $75m when he has solid numbers to predict that in its current state and lack of hype it's not worth that much. He's not going to offer a percentage out of fantasy. Why do you think Team Wilder failed to send a counter offer during the 10 day time limit? Because they can't make the numbers add up without using Joshua as the main asset that's why. Well guess what, AJ and Hearn control the main asset not Team Wilder.

With that in mind offering Wilder double what Parker made is an exceptional offer.

[EnglishOxide]

Wrong. Tell me what's wrong with Fat Dan's statement.

Who gives a **** what Fat Dan thinks.

If Wilder fights Brezeale next for $3m and gets KTFO then he's going to regret not taking the biggest money of his life because Joshua will have moved on.

How do people know Wilder wasn't offered a flat fee against Whyte? In fact he was, wasn't he? $4m plus US TV money.

Where was the outrage then?

Oh. It didn't exist because it wasn't an excuse needed to be used.

'Whyte isn't very good, we prefer Joshua' was the excuse of choice.

[The Gambler1981]

Breazeale is pretty much a total stiff who can take a punch a bit so not the most appealing opponent but he is in the second tier and probably has the best profile of the lot as an American heavy with some history between the two.

Pickings are pretty slim especially if Joshua fights Povetkin not much is really left on the table, Parker I guess but whats the difference to the general public between Parker and Breazeale at this point. Even Miller or Whyte who are Hearn guys so he probably wouldn't want to help them out without something coming on the back end what is the difference really, none are very good and none are that well known.

Not a very appealing fight but Wilder will be able to bomb away and look great with limited danger to himself against a guy who has been featured a decent amount on TV.