AJ vs Wilder propaganda, the fans, the fiction, the fantasy numbers, a fair deal?

[Jubei]

Does nobody here question the propaganda lately concerning the fantasy numbers appearing when talking about Joshua vs Wilder?

Specially when people bring up these numbers and think 50 or 100 million revenue means Wilder gets $12.5 and Joshua gets $87.5 Million?

These numbers just pop up from some random journalists, first its $50 mill then $100 mill and then its over $100 mill and all the fans jump on it as if its a hard fact?

What are these fantasy numbers based on? What has Wilder done so far? What were his TV ratings? How much tickets does he sell? How many PPV buys did he sell? How much does he sell outside of his backyard?

There are now certain (obviously american) journalists that just jump on these fictious numbers and try to tell us how much a fight between Joshua and Wilder would generate and people eat it up like its a proven fact. They also fail to tell us what revenue really means and how much of that money ends up for the fighters involved.

When you had Wladimir Klitscho fight Joshua you knew that Wlad was selling out huge arenas before and had massive support in Europe, his fights had huge ratings on RTL (and even HBO), usually watched by over 10 million people live just in Germany. Wlad was long reigning HW champion and fought all over the world.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/5/1...-uk-ppv-record

Now you have Joshua, who is obviously a big star in Europe, not well known and never fought in the US and you got Wilder who is not a star in Europe nor in the US. He is slowly building a fanbase in the US yet you have certain people here claiming this fight would do crazy numbers.

There are numbers floating around for Klitschko vs Joshua which was a huge success doing about $50 million in total revenue.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/12/...boxing-records


That doesnt mean the fighters just get to keep the $50 million, there are tons of people getting paid.

The PPV provider and the cable companies take most of the money from PPV buys and the promoter usually gets only about 45% of the revenue from every single PPV buy which means if the PPV revenue is about $30 million the promoter only gets about $13.5 million: https://www.boxing insider.com/colum...iew-deal-work/

Lets be generous and estimate the AJ Wilder fight generates $60 million (Live Gate, TV money, PPV buys, sponsoring, merchandise etc), thats more than Joshua vs Klitschko did.

Out of the $60 million there is $35 million generated from PPV buys, x 45-50% (lets be generous here too and not do the usual 45%) = ~$18 Million which leaves the revenue at ~$42 Million - $10 Million for all other costs (promotion, stadium rent, accommodations for all the people involved, paying for the actual event/putting up a show, paying the officials, helpers etc. Hearn/Match Room cut, paying the sanctoning fees, pay all the undercard fighters etc), that leaves the total revenue at approximately $32 Million for the fighters which is still crazy high.

$12.5 Million out of a $32 million pot is approximately 40% (a little over 39% to be exact) and leaves Joshua at ~$19.5 Million and with 60% of the split.

Is that such a bad deal afterall for Wilder?

Joshua vs Wilder
PPV Buys $35 Million
Live Gate $13 Million
Other income (1) $12 Million
= $60 Million total revenue
=========================
- Cable/PPV provider $18 Million
- Other costs (2) $10 Million
= $32 Million purse for AJ/Wilder
=========================

Wilder $12.5 Million, that leaves Joshua at $19.5 Million (40/60 split)

Others incomes (1): Sponsoring, TV Money, Merchandise etc.
Other costs (2): Stadium rent, accommodation costs, sanctioning fees, paying undercard fighters, actual event costs, Match Room/Promoter Cut etc.

[chaosisme]

Are we talking 12.5 million US dollars or British pounds? Joseph Parker got 13 million British pounds. I think Wilder is worth at least as much as Parker.

No, I don't think Parker deserved 13 million pounds (18+ million US dollars lol).

[zok310]

Ok, Wilder should turn down the $17 million u.s dollar (12 million pounds) and go fight some no name for 2.5 million dollars, that ought to teach Hearn and AJ :-/

[Jubei]

Are we talking 12.5 million US dollars or British pounds? Joseph Parker got 13 million British pounds. I think Wilder is worth at least as much as Parker.

No, I don't think Parker deserved 13 million pounds (18+ million US dollars lol).

Parker got paid 8 Million pounds which equals to ~$11 Million, also part of the deal for Wilder is a rematch/second fight in the US from what has been heard.

The dummygraphic is already doing what they do best, exposing themselves

[Eff Pandas]

How much revenue did the Parker PPV do?

Without going too hard on the numbers doe Wilder making less than Parker makes no sense to me & sounds like Hearn looking for ways to avoid this fight cuz thats +EV for him I tend to believe.

At this point I'm sorta hoping Wilder just agrees to w/e for $12M or w/e. Proceeds to KO Joshua in 2 rounds (not cuz Joshua cuz of Hearn. I think Joshua losing will hurt Hearn more than it'll hurt Joshua). Collects his belts + cashes his check & retires cuz this $12M & the other $8M-$12M Wilder's made already gots him setup for life probably so why take punishment.

[Phenom]

So why not just make it a 60/40 split instead of taking a risk on flat fee

Could it be maybe a lot more money will come outside of the uk compared to AJ recent fights

[N/A]

If 12.5 million is such a good deal for Wilder, why would Hearn make it is opening offer? Is Hearn terrible at his job?

[chrisJS]

The fight will be announced soon. Give them a month or two of all this negotiation. I'd imagine it will end on a 60/40 split. I'd imagine the $12.5m is around 30% since it's probably an $80m pot to which the fighters share half.

[A.K]

The highest money it would make guaranteed if they had it In Vegas, 10k seats everywhere and it always sells out for super fights just look at all the top live gates it’s in a small arena in Vegas like the mgm ALL OF THEM.

Another thing is american ppv strait up Trumps U.K ppv and this is destined to do atleast a million in the states if it’s on during the evening. Now if you had it in the UK that means ppv in America would be around noon/afternoon where no one would buy it hell hurd/Lara did better numbers than aj Parker on showtime, no one gets togather to drink and watch fights at noon..

American ppv makes 10x the money a u.k ppv does even golovkin lemule puts any UK ppv to shame as far as total revenue.. but we’re not dealing with rational business men when it comes to homers like Hearn so let’s give him the 60/40 in America, but if wilder is fighting for the British ruble with no ppv revenue in the weak U.K market he CANNOT take a flat rate with no ppv %.


It’s a page strait out of Oscars book when he offered GGG a flat 10 and GGG ended up walking away with 25 mil.

[Raggamuffin]

Does nobody here question the propaganda lately concerning the fantasy numbers appearing when talking about Joshua vs Wilder?

Specially when people bring up these numbers and think 50 or 100 million revenue means Wilder gets $12.5 and Joshua gets $87.5 Million?

These numbers just pop up from some random journalists, first its $50 mill then $100 mill and then its over $100 mill and all the fans jump on it as if its a hard fact?

What are these fantasy numbers based on? What has Wilder done so far? What were his TV ratings? How much tickets does he sell? How many PPV buys did he sell? How much does he sell outside of his backyard?

There are now certain (obviously american) journalists that just jump on these fictious numbers and try to tell us how much a fight between Joshua and Wilder would generate and people eat it up like its a proven fact. They also fail to tell us what revenue really means and how much of that money ends up for the fighters involved.

When you had Wladimir Klitscho fight Joshua you knew that Wlad was selling out huge arenas before and had massive support in Europe, his fights had huge ratings on RTL (and even HBO), usually watched by over 10 million people live just in Germany. Wlad was long reigning HW champion and fought all over the world.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/5/1...-uk-ppv-record

Now you have Joshua, who is obviously a big star in Europe, not well known and never fought in the US and you got Wilder who is not a star in Europe nor in the US. He is slowly building a fanbase in the US yet you have certain people here claiming this fight would do crazy numbers.

There are numbers floating around for Klitschko vs Joshua which was a huge success doing about $50 million in total revenue.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/12/...boxing-records


That doesnt mean the fighters just get to keep the $50 million, there are tons of people getting paid.

The PPV provider and the cable companies take most of the money from PPV buys and the promoter usually gets only about 45% of the revenue from every single PPV buy which means if the PPV revenue is about $30 million the promoter only gets about $13.5 million: https://www.boxing insider.com/colum...iew-deal-work/

Lets be generous and estimate the AJ Wilder fight generates $60 million (Live Gate, TV money, PPV buys, sponsoring, merchandise etc), thats more than Joshua vs Klitschko did.

Out of the $60 million there is $35 million generated from PPV buys, x 45-50% (lets be generous here too and not do the usual 45%) = ~$18 Million which leaves the revenue at ~$42 Million - $10 Million for all other costs (promotion, stadium rent, accommodations for all the people involved, paying for the actual event/putting up a show, paying the officials, helpers etc. Hearn/Match Room cut, paying the sanctoning fees, pay all the undercard fighters etc), that leaves the total revenue at approximately $32 Million for the fighters which is still crazy high.

$12.5 Million out of a $32 million pot is approximately 40% (a little over 39% to be exact) and leaves Joshua at ~$19.5 Million and with 60% of the split.

Is that such a bad deal afterall for Wilder?

Joshua vs Wilder
PPV Buys $35 Million
Live Gate $13 Million
Other income (1) $12 Million
= $60 Million total revenue
=========================
- Cable/PPV provider $18 Million
- Other costs (2) $10 Million
= $32 Million purse for AJ/Wilder
=========================

Wilder $12.5 Million, that leaves Joshua at $19.5 Million (40/60 split)

Others incomes (1): Sponsoring, TV Money, Merchandise etc.
Other costs (2): Stadium rent, accommodation costs, sanctioning fees, paying undercard fighters, actual event costs, Match Room/Promoter Cut etc.

There is a reason why Wilder and his camp quickly rejected the FIRST offer. These are on going negotiations and they were given 48 hours to agree. I doubt that Wilder would turn down $12 mil if Joshua is only making $19 mil. I say "only" dubiously.

If they have done the projections and came up with your numbers then my opinion will change, but I trust Haymon and if he turned that offer down, and he's negotiated big fights then don't you think that something is wrong with the offer?