Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua NOT His Own Boss or He Would Accept The FIght!

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Robbie Barrett
    Banned
    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
    • Nov 2013
    • 40891
    • 2,779
    • 667
    • 570,921

    #131
    Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
    Public pressure is Wilder's best chance to get the fight ASAP.

    Hearn can only stall as long as he can convince AJ's fans that the delays aren't AJ's fault. So Wilder has to be beating the drum to spread the word that he wants the fight ASAP.

    Wilder has the right to want whatever he wants. AJ has the right to say no. But if the question is whether Wilder wants the fight or not, he definitely does. Obviously AJ has the right to take his time.
    That's why he's making ****** demands, instead of offers Joshua and Hearn can't turn down. All Wilder has to do is ask for the same deal as Parker = fight done.

    GTFOH

    Comment

    • removed
      Undisputed Champion
      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
      • Nov 2008
      • 21479
      • 4,005
      • 831
      • 164,542

      #132
      lol @ Wilder thinking that he's his own boss.

      Comment

      • Huw
        Amateur
        Interim Champion - 1-100 posts
        • Apr 2018
        • 2
        • 0
        • 0
        • 6,012

        #133
        Interesting topic.

        Someone who is an employee yet is paid far more than someone who is the boss.

        Outside of the US and hardcore boxing fans nobody knows who Wilder is.

        To the fans of AJ who, in general are cross over fans they have no idea who anyone else is in the heavyweight division. Parker was a champion so on paper he is as much of a legitimate challenger as Wilder.

        They don't see how thin the division is and if he's fighting top 10 people he will sell out stadiums and do well on PPV.

        It's similar to the rabid Tyson fans who are convinced he was the best heavyweight ever and that nobody would have beat 'Prime' Mike Tyson. Real boxing fans know that he was an exciting fighter, probably the most exciting but only around 8-15 in the all time heavy rankings.

        This is how AJ will be remembered by the cross over fans. Even if he loses now they will be convinced that in his peak he would have beaten everybody and whoever beat him was lucky they fought him when he had 'aged', 'fell out of love with boxing' etc.

        Comment

        • bluebeam
          Undisputed Champion
          Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
          • Feb 2009
          • 3839
          • 121
          • 0
          • 31,012

          #134
          Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
          That's why he's making ****** demands, instead of offers Joshua and Hearn can't turn down. All Wilder has to do is ask for the same deal as Parker = fight done.

          GTFOH


          "I will accept any offer hearn makes" Deontay Wilder


          and we still dont have a fight

          Comment

          • Sid-Knee
            Undisputed Champion
            Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
            • Oct 2015
            • 18249
            • 1,091
            • 731
            • 155,532

            #135
            Originally posted by bluebeam
            calzaghe ducked froch and pavlik

            haye ducked vitali


            and don't forget its also the land of all the greatest fighters in the history of the sport.

            no Brits in the convo
            Haha Calzaghe didn't duck Froch in the slightest. Froch was an unknown at the time. Nobody was calling for that fight. The Hopkins fight blew that out of the water. If Joe would have taken on Froch instead of Hopkins people would have called him a coward for ducking Hopkins.

            The Pavlik fight would have been at Lightheavy because Joe wasn't going to go back down again. No one would have gave him any credit for the win and would have accused him of ducking Jones. Plus, the Jones fight offered more money. It's a no brainer.

            It was the other way round. Vitali told Haye to fight and beat Chisora if he wanted to fight him for the WBC title (Which he did) Then turned around and fought a bum instead in Charr. Haye after the Chisora fight even said Vitali would duck him and fight a nobody instead. So you're completely wrong there.

            When you go round calling fighters like Foreman, Frazier, Marciano, Patterson, Dempsey etc etc ATG's then you lose all credibility. They have **** resumes that are so thin it's ridiculous. None of them are close to being great fighters, let-alone ATG's.

            Your precious Ali fought in the most overrated era in history. None of the fighters were above average. Just bland and basic.

            Not only that, but he lost all 3 fights against Norton but got gifts in 2 of them. Lost to shavers, got a gift there. Lost to Young, got another gift there. Loosened the ropes against Foreman to gain an advantage which is cheating, so I don't give him any credit for that either. Throw in the fact he lost badly to a bar-room brawler in Frazier and what you have is the single most overrated fighter in history. In fact, i'll go further... Ali is the most overrated athlete in sporting history. There was nothing great about him.

            In fact most of your "ATG's" are not great at all. The most horribly overrated fighters from a country that spews this garbage is nothing more than propaganda. And then goes on to spew their poison against overseas fighters and never gives them credit. So shove your so called ATG's up your arse.

            Comment

            • Sid-Knee
              Undisputed Champion
              Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
              • Oct 2015
              • 18249
              • 1,091
              • 731
              • 155,532

              #136
              Originally posted by bluebeam
              "I will accept any offer hearn makes" Deontay Wilder


              and we still dont have a fight
              As long as it's reversed in the rematch. You missed that bit out.

              It's just another way of asking for 50/50.

              Comment

              • killakali
                Undisputed Champion
                Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                • Oct 2010
                • 7197
                • 226
                • 171
                • 87,195

                #137
                Originally posted by WBC WBA IBF
                Oh god. Just what we need. An internet fan with absolutely no insight, absolutely no possible way to know if what they are saying is true, yet making authoritative declarations anyway. This should be fun.




                Wrong. Finkel and Deas don't have the legal right to block Wilder from taking a fight.




                Wrong. Haymon is an adviser. He works for Wilder. He isn't Wilder's boss. Please stop posting false information.




                Haymon has the exclusive right to approve Porter and Trout opponents because Porter and Trout signed Haymon's standard deal. Haymon's arrangement with Wilder is different.
                Wilder didn't pick Gerald Washington or Spzilka or Duhuapas. Haymon said this is who we have to fight. He had to take it or leave it just like Trout or Porter or when Haymon put Pedraza or BJ Flores on the shelf. Someone who is there "own boss" doesn't have or need three managers and advisers. Just like Floyd who is his "own boss" just has Haymon. Period. Point. Blank.

                Comment

                • JRB123
                  Undisputed Champion
                  Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 1446
                  • 47
                  • 72
                  • 12,428

                  #138
                  Originally posted by Paddy Mashdown
                  lol @ Wilder thinking that he's his own boss.
                  If he's his own boss, then he needs to fire himself.

                  Comment

                  • N/A
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
                    • Jul 2017
                    • 9269
                    • 214
                    • 0
                    • 12

                    #139
                    Originally posted by killakali
                    Wilder didn't pick Gerald Washington or Spzilka or Duhuapas. Haymon said this is who we have to fight. He had to take it or leave it
                    You have absolutely no idea if that's true and even if it is true, it doesn't change a single thing I said. Wilder typically fights who Haymon recommends because he trusts his judgement. After all, he hired him for a reason. But Haymon works for Wilder, not vice versa.


                    Someone who is there "own boss" doesn't have or need three managers and advisers. Just like Floyd who is his "own boss" just has Haymon. Period. Point. Blank.
                    You're making absolutely no sense and clearly have no idea how talent representation works. Just because Mayweather takes advice from Haymon doesn't mean Haymon is Mayweather's boss. That's not how it works.

                    Now, for a lot of Haymon's fighters, Haymon has the legal right to block an opponent. This is what's allowed Haymon to create his own universe, knowing he can legally keep things in house in most instances.

                    Wilder is in a different situation though. He was with Finkel first and had the leverage to not have to sign Haymon's standard deal. When Finkel was trying to set up Wilder vs. Klitschko, Haymon didn't have the legal right to block it.

                    When Wilder demanded King Kong, Haymon was against it, but it's what Wilder wanted, so Haymon delivered. Haymon didn't have the legal right to stop it, but he did the responsible thing and went out and signed King Kong to protect everybody's interests.

                    AJ makes way more than Wilder, so I'm not criticizing AJ for choosing to sign exclusively with a promoter. But Wilder is still telling the truth that nobody on his side can block him from fighting AJ, while Hearn can block the fight if he wants to. Obviously is AJ is adamant about wanting the fight, Hearn wouldn't block it, but that doesn't change the fact that he legally could.

                    Comment

                    • Kezzer
                      Undisputed Champion
                      Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 3480
                      • 116
                      • 35
                      • 58,969

                      #140
                      Hearn legally couldn’t do squat. Joshua has had his last fight with matchroom. He can and probably will continue with Hearn but he has no contract with them currently.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP