Comments Thread For: Wilder: Joshua NOT His Own Boss or He Would Accept The FIght!

[bluebeam]

Haha Calzaghe didn't duck Froch in the slightest. Froch was an unknown at the time. Nobody was calling for that fight. The Hopkins fight blew that out of the water. If Joe would have taken on Froch instead of Hopkins people would have called him a coward for ducking Hopkins.

The Pavlik fight would have been at Lightheavy because Joe wasn't going to go back down again. No one would have gave him any credit for the win and would have accused him of ducking Jones. Plus, the Jones fight offered more money. It's a no brainer.

It was the other way round. Vitali told Haye to fight and beat Chisora if he wanted to fight him for the WBC title (Which he did) Then turned around and fought a bum instead in Charr. Haye after the Chisora fight even said Vitali would duck him and fight a nobody instead. So you're completely wrong there.

When you go round calling fighters like Foreman, Frazier, Marciano, Patterson, Dempsey etc etc ATG's then you lose all credibility. They have **** resumes that are so thin it's ridiculous. None of them are close to being great fighters, let-alone ATG's.

Your precious Ali fought in the most overrated era in history. None of the fighters were above average. Just bland and basic.

Not only that, but he lost all 3 fights against Norton but got gifts in 2 of them. Lost to shavers, got a gift there. Lost to Young, got another gift there. Loosened the ropes against Foreman to gain an advantage which is cheating, so I don't give him any credit for that either. Throw in the fact he lost badly to a bar-room brawler in Frazier and what you have is the single most overrated fighter in history. In fact, i'll go further... Ali is the most overrated athlete in sporting history. There was nothing great about him.

In fact most of your "ATG's" are not great at all. The most horribly overrated fighters from a country that spews this garbage is nothing more than propaganda. And then goes on to spew their poison against overseas fighters and never gives them credit. So shove your so called ATG's up your arse.

so now if the fighter is unknown its not a duck? yea ok bro. froch will tell u out of his own mouth calzaghe ducked him.


i guess you forgot that haye pulled out of a scheduled fight against vitali, so what the hell are you talking about?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/124849/amp

and I never listed my all time list. I said your all time list doesn't have any Brits in it. and I must be right because you didn't list yours and then you started naming fighters out of the blue like Frazier, marciano, etc... I didnt call either of those guys atg

[bluebeam]

As long as it's reversed in the rematch. You missed that bit out.

It's just another way of asking for 50/50.

if joshua wins. there is no rematch.

so what's the problem?

[Sid-Knee]

so now if the fighter is unknown its not a duck? yea ok bro. froch will tell u out of his own mouth calzaghe ducked him.


i guess you forgot that haye pulled out of a scheduled fight against vitali, so what the hell are you talking about?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/124849/amp

and I never listed my all time list. I said your all time list doesn't have any Brits in it. and I must be right because you didn't list yours and then you started naming fighters out of the blue like Frazier, marciano, etc... I didnt call either of those guys atg

Froch was only British and commonwealth champion at the time. In a choice of Froch or Hopkins, you go for Hopkins. Anyone saying otherwise is spewing nothing but pure bull****.

Your link doesn't work.

[killakali]

You have absolutely no idea if that's true and even if it is true, it doesn't change a single thing I said. Wilder typically fights who Haymon recommends because he trusts his judgement. After all, he hired him for a reason. But Haymon works for Wilder, not vice versa.




You're making absolutely no sense and clearly have no idea how talent representation works. Just because Mayweather takes advice from Haymon doesn't mean Haymon is Mayweather's boss. That's not how it works.

Now, for a lot of Haymon's fighters, Haymon has the legal right to block an opponent. This is what's allowed Haymon to create his own universe, knowing he can legally keep things in house in most instances.

Wilder is in a different situation though. He was with Finkel first and had the leverage to not have to sign Haymon's standard deal. When Finkel was trying to set up Wilder vs. Klitschko, Haymon didn't have the legal right to block it.

When Wilder demanded King Kong, Haymon was against it, but it's what Wilder wanted, so Haymon delivered. Haymon didn't have the legal right to stop it, but he did the responsible thing and went out and signed King Kong to protect everybody's interests.

AJ makes way more than Wilder, so I'm not criticizing AJ for choosing to sign exclusively with a promoter. But Wilder is still telling the truth that nobody on his side can block him from fighting AJ, while Hearn can block the fight if he wants to. Obviously is AJ is adamant about wanting the fight, Hearn wouldn't block it, but that doesn't change the fact that he legally could.

Haymon didn't want Khan to fight Canelo either or Jacobs to fight GGG yet they forced his hand the same AJ can force Hearn's hand to make a Wilder fight.

But Wilder may say he doesn't have a promoter and he is right in that all DiBella really is is a site coordinator but he has three manager/advisers that he has to listen too...you can say they work for him but Hearn works for AJ too. He promotes the shows and puts him in position to make the most amount of money and if AJ doesn't think he is doing a good job for him then he can walk next year when his contract is up.

PBC is getting ready to make a ton of fights like Angulo-Mora and release the loser because they simply have way too many fighters for the amount of dates they have and want to trim down the roster.

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Haymon didn't want Khan to fight Canelo either

You have no idea if that's true, but Khan wasn't under a standard Haymon deal, so it wouldn't matter.

or Jacobs to fight GGG yet they forced his hand

Now you're just flat out lying. Haymon was the one that pushed for the WBA to enforce GGG vs. Jacobs even though the WBA world champion is no longer the super champion's mandatory according to WBA rules. Haymon had no control of the middleweight division and that fight was his attempt to steal the division in one night. He had everything to gain and nothing to lose.

[killakali]

You have no idea if that's true, but Khan wasn't under a standard Haymon deal, so it wouldn't matter.




Now you're just flat out lying. Haymon was the one that pushed for the WBA to enforce GGG vs. Jacobs even though the WBA world champion is no longer the super champion's mandatory according to WBA rules. Haymon had no control of the middleweight division and that fight was his attempt to steal the division in one night. He had everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Actually Haymon had Jacobs to lose and he lost him lol. Then he lost Khan etc etc.

I know for a fact he didn't want Khan to fight Canelo. He wanted Khan to fight Thurman but Khan had other ideas.

What about Haymon looking to cut his roster nearly in half? He wants to make more of these Mora vs angulo type fights to trim a lot of the fat.

I heard GBP is looking to trim their roster as well.

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Actually Haymon had Jacobs to lose and he lost him

Had Jacobs won, he wouldn't have left. Since Jacobs lost, leaving did minimal damage, if any, to Haymon. Haymon is not afraid of calculated risks. HBO is on life support. Jacobs beating GGG, with no rematch clause, would have been absolutely devastating to HBO. Haymon took a chance. It didn't pay off. It was still worth the risk as it was a division Haymon was totally boxed out of anyway.

He clearly doesn't regret it as he's now lining up Charlo to attempt the exact same thing.

I know for a fact he didn't want Khan to fight Canelo. He wanted Khan to fight Thurman but Khan had other ideas.

If you're claiming to have inside information, I'll have to take you at your word.

What about Haymon looking to cut his roster nearly in half?

Show me where Haymon said that.

[killakali]

Had Jacobs won, he wouldn't have left. Since Jacobs lost, leaving did minimal damage, if any, to Haymon. Haymon is not afraid of calculated risks. HBO is on life support. Jacobs beating GGG, with no rematch clause, would have been absolutely devastating to HBO. Haymon took a chance. It didn't pay off. It was still worth the risk as it was a division Haymon was totally boxed out of anyway.

He clearly doesn't regret it as he's now lining up Charlo to attempt the exact same thing.




If you're claiming to have inside information, I'll have to take you at your word.




Show me where Haymon said that.

brad said it and said the roster is too big and to expect more elimination type fights like Angulo-Mora and redkach-molina

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brad said it and said the roster is too big and to expect more elimination type fights like Angulo-Mora and redkach-molina

Brad who?

Haymon's contracts promise nothing beyond his best efforts. Why would he need to release half of his roster?

[killakali]

Brad who?

Haymon's contracts promise nothing beyond his best efforts. Why would he need to release half of his roster?

brcause they are creating ill will. Many fighters are complaining about inactivity and this way he can keep his main guys very active