Serious Discussion About Canelo Failed Drug Testing! [CITE SOURCES]

[Vlad_]

So either:

A. Canelo and his team are complete morons, and Canelo eats plenty of beef that is potentially tainted, in a country where that is a well known and common situation, right when random testing might be starting for the biggest fight of his career, and most likely Oscar and the team’s biggest payday and putting everything in jeopardy.

B. Canelo and his team were worried after the first fight, and were willing to go the extra mile to ensure a victory in the rematch. They used PEDs prior to the official training camp and used Clen as a masking agent, because as long as Canelo keeps on training, many enhancements and advantages from the PEDs would still remain for a few months after last consumption, to give Canelo the edge come fight night.

Either way, Canelo and his team done fcuked up good.

[Ikensteiner]

How much meat has to be eaten to get that level?
That's what I still have not seen so far.
1 oz, 12 oz?

[PsychoPat]

Are people forgetting one test was consistent with tainted beef the second was 12 times the amount therefore Clenelo Alvaroid knowingly took it.

[stealthradon]

Assuming a consumption of 300 g of contaminated meat (muscle), these amounts would result
in an intake of 1.3–1.9 mg of clenbuterol, which is approx. one-tenth of a typical the****utic single dose of 20 mg used in man. Based on this data, maximum urinary concentrations are supposed to range between 100 and 150 pg/ml. However, the misuse of clenbuterol for livestock is not controlled and applied doses are expected to be much higher, as demonstrated by the large number of clenbuterol poisonings.[5–7] The results obtained within the present study with maximum concentrations of 50.5 pg/ml are
difficult to compare, since the amount of clenbuterol ingested was unknown.

http://10ste93kec2i6oi6nlhmxd19.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/study_german_sports_university.pdf

He just ate 30 kg of steak, no biggie.

[McNulty]

SNIP

I can't take a guy seriously that is rocking 15 year old gear like it's new. I have that same Puma top in my closet right now. Almost 20 years old, no joke.

[stealthradon]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

The****utic dose (20, 40 and 80 micrograms/man) of clenbuterol hydrochloride, a beta 2-adrenergic stimulant, was orally administered to healthy volunteers, and the unmetabolized drug in plasma and urine was determined by enzyme immunoassay. The plasma levels of clenbuterol reached the maximum value of 0.1, 0.2 and 0.35 ng/ml, respectively, in a dose-dependent manner within 2.5 h, which lasted for over 6 h after the administration. The half-life of clenbuterol in plasma was estimated to be about 35 h. When the drug was orally administered repeatedly to men twice a day, the plasma level reached the plateau within 4 d after the initial administration. At that time, the plasma levels of the unchanged form were 0.2 to 0.3 ng/ml and 0.5 to 0.6 ng/ml at doses of 20 and 40 micrograms/man, respectively. The bound ratio of the drug to plasma protein was estimated to be 89-98% at a single administration of 80 micrograms of the drug. The cumulative urinary excretion of unchanged compound corresponded to about 20% of the administered dose as measured at 72 h following a single oral administration. When clenbuterol hydrochloride was orally administered to **** at a dose of 2 micrograms/kg, the plasma level reached the maximum at about 1 h after the administration. In rabbits, the plasma concentrations reached the maximum value of about 0.2 and 0.8 ng/ml within 2 h following administration of clenbuterol hydrochloride at doses of 0.5 and 2 micrograms/kg, respectively. The half-life of clenbuterol in plasma was about 30 h in **** and about 9 h in rabbits.

[fourtheboys96]

Short story: Canelo has to be punished.

I just can't believe that a multi-millionaire athlete (with meat person in his camp, literally) can become a victim to a problem known for quite sometime now.


https://www.wada-ama.org/en/question...ibited-list-qa

7. What is the status of clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is an anabolic agent that prohibited at all times (i.e., both in- and out-of-competition). There is no threshold under which this substance is not prohibited.

At present, and based on expert opinions, there is no plan for WADA to introduce a threshold level for clenbuterol.

It is possible that under certain circumstances the presence of a low level of clenbuterol in an athlete sample can be the result of food contamination. However, each case is different and all aspects and context of the case need to be taken into account during the results management process. According to the World Anti-Doping Code, the athlete has the opportunity to explain how a prohibited substance entered their body during the results management and/or or hearing phase of their case.

WADA is working closely with specific countries, International Federations and event organizers to help minimize the risk of meat contamination. Food contamination as a public health issue is primarily a matter for governments to resolve.

[ggg_kz]

http://10ste93kec2i6oi6nlhmxd19.wpen...university.pdf

He just ate 30 kg of steak, no biggie.

A bit too high lol, but still a big amount. Great study btw.

- a single 20 mg the****utic dose results in 1.51 ng/ml in urine (minimum).
- contaminated meat: maximum concentrations are 4.4 to 6.1 mg/kg of clen in muscles, i.e. eating 1 kg of highly contaminated meat would result in 0.5ng/ml in urine (1.51ng/ml * 6.1mg / 20 mg).

To sum up, to achieve Canelo levels on 0.6-0.8ng/ml, a person would have to eat 1.3-1.7 kg of highly contaminated meat on the day of the drug test or stop taking pills days before the drug test. What are the chances the meat is that much contaminated and was eaten the same day the test was done?

[Citizen Koba]

yeah, I believe it. I have to look it up but I think 30% of the meat in mexico is tainted so its not out of the realm of possibilities.

To just say I dont believe it is actually not being fair. Its plausible, now if you dont want to believe it thats okay too but I chose to believe it.

That's basically the long and the short of it.

I spent time doing the same research you have and I will point out a coupla things - most academic studies claim the half-life of Clen as 36 hours. I have seen the reports on the steroid sites and went as far as to check some of the references (I occasionally do this kind of **** for money) which turned up that at least some of the low end figures for the t1/2 of Clen were drawn from rat research which is useless in this case.

Based on the Clen half life and the reported range of the****utic dosage the Clen would have had to have been ceased around 7 - 10 days before (or even longer at higher doses) testing to have dropped to the measured levels by 17th Feb.

There is also a slight discrepency between the measured concentrations of urine clen between the two tests. Given a 36 hour half life one would only have expected Canelos levels to have dropped to 1/4 after three days when in fact they had dropped to 1/10 of their original value by 20th Feb.

Either way, though, there is no smoking gun, at least not in the information released to the public. If you choose to believe the tainted meat story, it can't actually be disproved - possibly hair sampling could help, but still leaves a margin of error.

[TonyGe]

I did read what he said and he asked how wada could rationalize how the amount could be consistent with meat contamination.

So by doing your own research you can actually find out that anything around 1ng is POSSIBLY from meat contamination. So yes his test results are consistent with meat contamination.

Keyword: POSSIBLY

Possibly is the issue because there is no way of telling. Montero came out with a video saying that even a hair follicle test is not reliable. I don't believe that's true. Another article indicated that hair collects Clen at a very low levels. It went on to say that a one time instance of eating contaminated meat definately won't show up in hair at in measurable amount. It's definately a grey area.