Why it is ****** to compare Wilder vs Ortiz to Joshua vs Parker

[Cutthroat]

The thing about Parker's style is he NEVER fights like that, ever.
Parker is a pure brawler, he's like the HW version of Shawn Porter, that's his strength not the way he fought vs AJ.


Ortiz on the other hand excels at outside fighting, at counter punching, at body punching, jabbing, cutting off the ring, etc. Ortiz is what Parker was trying to be in that ring.

Ortiz is flat out better in very way possible, Parker is slightly and I mean slightly ahead of Ruiz, Takam, and Fury.

[Sheldon312]

The thing about Parker's style is he NEVER fights like that, ever.
Parker is a pure brawler, he's like the HW version of Shawn Porter, that's his strength not the way he fought vs AJ.


Ortiz on the other hand excels at outside fighting, at counter punching, at body punching, jabbing, cutting off the ring, etc. Ortiz is what Parker was trying to be in that ring.

Ortiz is flat out better in very way possible, Parker is slightly and I mean slightly ahead of Ruiz, Takam, and Fury.

Ortiz is better but the reason Parker was able.to survive was due to his speed, movement, and age. The point I'm making is that just because Wilder beat Ortiz doesn't mean he beats Joshua.

[siablo14]

Wilder knocked out Ortiz while Joshua won a clear UD over Parker. Many fans and critics have used both victorys to prop up one winner over the other while forgetting that "styles make fights" Ortiz may be a better technical fighter with better power than Joseph Parker, but he does not have Joshua's speed, fast hands, movement, or the awkwardness that Parker had against Joshua. Parker was able to use his speed and head movement to negate Joshua's power. Against Wilder, Ortiz barely moved his head and was very stationary and did not show any great movement at all. We also have to look at that age disparity between Parker and Ortiz. Ortiz showed his age against Wilder. He was very slow, his stamina wasn't great, and his reflexes bjust were not there. Parker showed great stamina, heart, will, and fresh legs. I was impressed by the way Joshua used the jab to control distance and set up other punches. Although Joshua did not get the knockout, he showed that he is able to consistently box within twelve rounds. Wilder on the other hand, clearly lost the majority of rounds against Ortiz. Wilder has not learned to use the jab consistently or to use it to set up combinations. His balance is still pretty horrible and he has not yet faced a big HW like Joshua and Parker who has a sold foundation or good movement. Neither Ortiz or Parker are great wins but to pretend like Wilder had a much better performance is ridiculous and shows the amount of idiocy and hypocrisy that plagues this forum.

Wilder almost drowned too.

[bender2000]

parker still gets little respect here , the fight was decided on reach if aj had the same reach as parker may have been a different fight , aj did next to nothing in the fight he missed alot of punches and never hurt parker you give him WAY to much credit iam reading comments aj put his punches together behind a good jab bull**** he looked very beatable in the fight , wilder will beat him with ease.

[Boksfan]

Wilder knocked out Ortiz while Joshua won a clear UD over Parker. Many fans and critics have used both victorys to prop up one winner over the other while forgetting that "styles make fights" Ortiz may be a better technical fighter with better power than Joseph Parker, but he does not have Joshua's speed, fast hands, movement, or the awkwardness that Parker had against Joshua. Parker was able to use his speed and head movement to negate Joshua's power. Against Wilder, Ortiz barely moved his head and was very stationary and did not show any great movement at all. We also have to look at that age disparity between Parker and Ortiz. Ortiz showed his age against Wilder. He was very slow, his stamina wasn't great, and his reflexes bjust were not there. Parker showed great stamina, heart, will, and fresh legs. I was impressed by the way Joshua used the jab to control distance and set up other punches. Although Joshua did not get the knockout, he showed that he is able to consistently box within twelve rounds. Wilder on the other hand, clearly lost the majority of rounds against Ortiz. Wilder has not learned to use the jab consistently or to use it to set up combinations. His balance is still pretty horrible and he has not yet faced a big HW like Joshua and Parker who has a sold foundation or good movement. Neither Ortiz or Parker are great wins but to pretend like Wilder had a much better performance is ridiculous and shows the amount of idiocy and hypocrisy that plagues this forum.

This is all true.

[Cutthroat]

Ortiz is better but the reason Parker was able.to survive was due to his speed, movement, and age. The point I'm making is that just because Wilder beat Ortiz doesn't mean he beats Joshua.

Parker didn't just "survive" he was working AJ's body the whole fight, landing jabs, occasional right hands etc. The way he fought AJ, both Wilder and Ortiz excel at. Parker fought like a VERY poor man's version of both guys and you saw how much trouble it gave AJ.

AJ-Parker were playing a positioning battle with their feet, Ortiz excels at that. Ortiz doesn't need to move as much because he's a vicious counter puncher, you risk getting hit with a massive counter, he gets hit far less than Parker has throughout his career. Ortiz has a superior jab, body work, you name it he does it better. Parker maybe has speed but that's it.

[keith_head]

Ortiz is good. Parker is good. They are both top 5.

I believe Joshua would have an easier time with Ortiz due to the fact that Joshua has a very tight defense and is less prone to being countered. Wilder struggled with him due to the fact that it's hard to get your jab off against southpaws, and Wilder uses his jab to set his range. Joshua's style isn't as reliant on the jab.

However, I believe Wilder would beat Joshua. Wilder is much faster on his feat, and Joshua showed he's unable to cut off the ring against people who can move. Joshua is also not particularly skilled at fighting from range, whereas Wilder can deliver his knockout punches from halfway across the ring. Joshua doesn't move his head enough to not eat one of them - he's too reliant on his tight guard.

I think if Joshua had taken the Parker fight before he fought Takam, he would have lost. The Takam fight showed him how much he needed to work on his boxing skills and game plan. Similarly, If Wilder had taken the Ortiz fight a couple of years ago, he may have lost.

[LacedUp]

Ortiz is a much better and more dangerous fighter than Parker. Most knowledgeable fans already knew that. AJ had a dull fight and took no chances. Oh well. You guys don't need to keep apologizing for it and spinning it. He's not your god. You don't have to serve him.

There's no proof he was better. He's never proved it in the ring- What he did prove in the ring was stinking the place out time after time and knocking out journeymen.

Parker's resume is miles and miles better than Ortiz. Knowledgable fans know that.

However, Joshua and Parker still stunk the place out and Wilder vs Ortiz was a FOTY candidate.

[Sheldon312]

Parker didn't just "survive" he was working AJ's body the whole fight, landing jabs, occasional right hands etc. The way he fought AJ, both Wilder and Ortiz excel at. Parker fought like a VERY poor man's version of both guys and you saw how much trouble it gave AJ.

AJ-Parker were playing a positioning battle with their feet, Ortiz excels at that. Ortiz doesn't need to move as much because he's a vicious counter puncher, you risk getting hit with a massive counter, he gets hit far less than Parker has throughout his career. Ortiz has a superior jab, body work, you name it he does it better. Parker maybe has speed but that's it.

Parker has better speed, movement, and head movement. Yesterday's fight was a chess match I don't understand why you are *****ing so much. Maybe it's because Joshua doesn't run around acting like a thug.

[Sheldon312]

Ortiz is good. Parker is good. They are both top 5.

I believe Joshua would have an easier time with Ortiz due to the fact that Joshua has a very tight defense and is less prone to being countered. Wilder struggled with him due to the fact that it's hard to get your jab off against southpaws, and Wilder uses his jab to set his range. Joshua's style isn't as reliant on the jab.

However, I believe Wilder would beat Joshua. Wilder is much faster on his feat, and Joshua showed he's unable to cut off the ring against people who can move. Joshua is also not particularly skilled at fighting from range, whereas Wilder can deliver his knockout punches from halfway across the ring. Joshua doesn't move his head enough to not eat one of them - he's too reliant on his tight guard.

I think if Joshua had taken the Parker fight before he fought Takam, he would have lost. The Takam fight showed him how much he needed to work on his boxing skills and game plan. Similarly, If Wilder had taken the Ortiz fight a couple of years ago, he may have lost.

Wilder hasn't done anything to prove that he can beat Joshua. Joshua is the more skilled fighter, stronger, bigger, uses the bad better, more accurate, and doesn't make as many mistakes. I don't understand the hype around Wilder. I really don't.