Why doesn't Joshua have 'lights-out' power?

[Big Ukrainian]

Looking at Joshua's record, I don't believe there's a single instance of his knocking an opponent out cold. Has he ever achieved this?

For someone who is being touted as some kind of Knock Out Artist, it's quite incredible, I think, that Joshua lacks cold power. Sure, some will say, 'Yeah, the ref always jumps in too early, that's why' but it's more than this, he seems tight and slow somehow. Is he simply too muscle-bound?

We all saw Whyte's KO of Browne last week. Why haven't we seen KOs like that from Joshua?

His KOs of Whyte and Zumbano Love were impressive. BTW, Lennox Lewis also never knocked out anybody as cold as Whyte KOed Browne.

[Vinnykin]

I believe Joshua is mostly the offensive fighter and rarely has guys coming at him and opening up.

If you look at someone like Wilder, he's on his back foot trying to catch you coming inside, he invites much more pressure so Wilder has more openings, and is a little faster.

I believe Joshua punches harder in general, and is far stronger physically, but Wilder is trying to walk you onto the right hand and catch you quick and clean.

[Madison Boxing]

I've seen him hurt plenty of guys. We gonna go down the route of making out the guy with 100 percent ko ratio is feather fisted lol

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

Whyte landed a series of monster shots against Browne throughout the fight. It was an accumulation of damage that left him vulnerable for the KO. It's not like Dillian went out in the first round and "bam", KO'd Lucas with one shot. And let's not forget, Browne was a plodding punching bag, there to be pummeled. He was far from a skilled, defensive fighter, protecting himself.

Are you suggesting that Joshua's never fought someone as ploddy as Browne?? It still leaves the question of why we have seen a KO like that from Whyte but never from Joshua. Refs jump in too early when Joshua fights? Or Joshua just doesn't have that kind of power? You haven't addressed the question

You obviously didn't read my response carefully. Browne took a lot of punishment leading up to getting KO'd. Also, it was a great punch, landing right on the point of the chin. Whyte caught Lucas throwing a lazy right, with his chin sticking out like a beacon in fog.

I understand how the KO of Browne occurred, the question is why we haven't seen similar from Joshua, someone who is being hyped up as a KO-machine. I don't think Joshua would be KO'ing people like that even if refs didn't jump in. Some good responses in this thread as to why that might be

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

I've seen him hurt plenty of guys. We gonna go down the route of making out the guy with 100 percent ko ratio is feather fisted lol

Hey man, come on, I'm not saying Joshua is feather-fisted, far from it, he obviously has power there, I'm just saying it's not cold power, if that makes sense? Seems more like a thudding, clubbing type of power. Just means we might never see clean KOs from Joshua, there's always be a ref jumping in, or a towel thrown, or whatever

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

Breadman broke down the different types of punchers in a mailbag. it was a great read. there's clubbers like Foreman, Maidana and slashers like Wilder, Tommy Hearns.

Thanks dude, good shout. Found it, here

"Great work again Breadman.

Thanks for the constant education, had only watched the two Terry Norris fights vs Simon Brown the other day, so it was perfect when you said that Buddy McGirt vs Simon Brown fight was a masterpiece. Mike Tyson does a very good job on commentary for the fight, wheeling off dates like he had a smart phone in front of him. He was giving great advise for Brown to use, Buddy use his lack of height so well, making Brown give up his length, then walking into the eye of the tornado with left hooks. The different looks he was giving Brown then punching or flurrying. It was a Schooling/Educated beating

What you said about Canelo being very similar to Danny Garcia I agree but I do feel he is more like Marquez, with his counter punching, combos, likes a uppercut and is flat/slow footed.

What do you make of Canelo power?

I feel like Chavez jr weighing 2/3 weight divisions heavier then his opponent its more the weight of the shots. He hit Cotto with sum real hard shots that I expected to see Cotto dropped, the only thing he didn't hit Angulo with was a truck.

How would you describe different types of punching power?

Like Foreman would club you to death.

Julian Jackson/G Man would try to put there hand through your face.

Hearns was sharp like a French swordsmen you don't even know you been hit till you see the blood.

When you talked about the different styles races. Always new about Mexicans vs Black fighters and Mexicans vs Ricans but I had never took notice of Eastern Europeans having the edge over black fighters, you only touch the sides on it with Lomochenko, Kovalev and Tszyu. Can you give a few more examples and what it is about there style that causes such a problem?

100kg from London

Bread’s Response: If anybody wants to see a technical boxing lesson watch Buddy McGirt vs Simon Brown. Some guys use tricks, speed and smoke and mirrors. But Buddy used solid technical skills and timing to tear Brown apart who is one of the better welterweights of the last 25 years. Great performance.

Canelo has a little Marquez to his game with his combination punching but Marquez keeps his hands higher. He doesn’t lead as much as Canelo and he fights on the balls of his feet more. Canelo is lazier than Marquez.

You know I think Canelo has a decent punch but not as a big a punch as his record indicates. I also think he punches better to the body than he does the head.

I think you did a great job in describing the different type of power. Fighters generate punching power from different places. Foreman is a clubber. He can hit you anywhere and hurt you. Hearns is a swordsman. He would damage his hands if he tried to club like Foreman. Gerald McClellan was more of a violent overwhelmer who savagely punched through you. And Julian Jackson and Naseem Hamed are the one punch boom guys. They can be really patient because they know they’re concussive. Punching power is a fascinating thing I honestly don’t have enough room to describe the type of punchers there are and what classifications I put everyone in.

I think the Eastern Euro fighters can break the urban/Black rhythm better because they box their way in, where as the Mexican fighters are more flatfooted and plodding. I also believe the Eastern Euro have a superior amateur program and a built in strength program. All of them are really physically strong.

They have a probing fencing movement with their lead hand and they punch straight from the shoulders, no loading up. Watch GGG as an amateur, he looked much more like Kostya Tszyu than he does today. There is a kid named Olesandr Usyk that I am really big on. He has that prototypical probing style. He’s 8-0 and not only do I think he’s the best cruiserweight in the world already but I think he’s a top 15 heavyweight at this moment."

[SUBZER0ED]

I understand how the KO of Browne occurred, the question is why we haven't seen similar from Joshua, someone who is being hyped up as a KO-machine. I don't think Joshua would be KO'ing people like that even if refs didn't jump in. Some good responses in this thread as to why that might be

Ok, let me put it like this- How many cold KO fights do you see vs fighters getting knocked silly for a TKO or get up after a KD, but fail to beat the count?

You think Whyte has cold KO power because of what he did to Browne. How many other fights did he win that way? Why didn't he do that to Joshua?

[boliodogs]

He has KOed everyone he has fought including Whyte so calling him a KO artist is justified even if he doesn't score 1 punch KOs or leave the opponent out cold for several minutes.

[Big Ukrainian]

Hey man, come on, I'm not saying Joshua is feather-fisted, far from it, he obviously has power there, I'm just saying it's not cold power, if that makes sense? Seems more like a thudding, clubbing type of power. Just means we might never see clean KOs from Joshua, there's always be a ref jumping in, or a towel thrown, or whatever

But how many of Lennox Lewis' opponents were knocked out cold for several minutes? I can't recall one. Still Lennox is considered as one of the hardest hitting HW in the history of the sport.

[uppercut510]

he has decent power