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  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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    Hmmmm... you know??

    May 27, 2006: I read an article today that talks about how Jermain Taylor is training at the KRONK Gym in Detroit and how awesome it is and how the guys there have such a commitment to boxing. You wake up thinking boxing. You eat sleep and drink boxing, etc. He talks about the guys he works with in the gym and how they don't ask him for his autograph, they are hardened tough guys who aren't impressed that he is the reigning and defending world champion. "Nobody even asked to take a picture with me" he says. Emmanuel Steward, who is now training Jermain at the famous gym, even talks about the spirited sparring sessions that Jermain has been having there with a young pro named Andy Lee. "They had a real rough, spirted workout," Steward said. "It was nip and tuck. Jermain said, `I'm not used to that.' They boxed again and there was electricity in the air. Jermain said, `I've been here two weeks training. Never once has anyone asked for my autograph. Nobody's even asked to take a picture."
    Then Emmanuel says "I told him, `You've got to realize that you were taking on the middleweight champion of this gym in Andy Lee. This is his turf right here. And you being the middleweight champion of the world, you've got to earn that respect here.' "


    OK, Good enough. This is 2006 and if Andy Lee is the current middleweight champion of the Kronk then so be it. I mean, when you put it that way, it sounds almost like Jermain is the character played by Ving Rhames walking into prison in "Undisputed" and going up against the little known killer that was Wesley Snipes. But, man, it kind of throws you a little when you look up Andy Lee's record and you find out he is a 22 year old kid from Ireland that has a professional record now of 2-0. That's right. Two fights total. Jermain just came off of twice defeating Bernard "The Executioner" Hopkins for the undisputed middleweight championship of the world and now we are supposed to believe that he is in this famous gym in Detroit going against the Kronk champion like it is a life and death situation? No disrespect to Andy Lee, OK, but... come on!!!

    Based on what I am reading... I can only wonder. Can you even imagine what Jermaine would be thinking if he had to train at the Kronk back in the early to mid-80's?? What kind of electricty would he feel if every single day he had guys like Tommy Hearns, Leeonzer Barber, Milton McCrory, Steve McCrory, Hilmer Kenty, Lindell Holmes, Mark Breland, Mike McCallum, Oba Carr, Kady King, Ricky Womack, Duane Thomas, Dujuan Johnson, Alvin Hayes, Mickey Goodwin, Stanley Longstreet, Arthel Lawhorn, Frank Tate, Jimmy Paul, Danny Paul, Caveman Lee, David Braxton, Joe Manley, Roderick Moore,and Darnell Knox, all gloving up right next to him while not asking for his autograph or not asking to take photographs with him?? Or later on when Gerald McClellan, Fabian Wiliams, Frankie Liles and Michael Moorer all joined Kronk? Andy Lee might not even be allowed to use the ring back in those days
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    Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
    Caveman Lee
    Please tell me I'm not the only one who laughed their ass off at that name.

    I know boxing pretty and I've been into it for many years but I've never heard of "Caveman Lee". I get the mental image of Bruce Lee in a leopard skin leotard.

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      On the real side I think the story is hilarious that if you step into the ring with an unproven Irish jobber with a record of only 2 wins you are then fighting for your life. Taylor had to be giving the kid props, there's no ****ing way on this green earth that that dude gave him any competition.

      Then again 2-0 does seem like a real achievement, ask Donald Hoskins...

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      • JuicyJuice
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        #4
        Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
        Can you even imagine what Jermaine would be thinking if he had to train at the Kronk back in the early to mid-80's?? What kind of electricty would he feel if every single day he had guys like Tommy Hearns, Leeonzer Barber, Milton McCrory, Steve McCrory, Hilmer Kenty, Lindell Holmes, Mark Breland, Mike McCallum, Oba Carr, Kady King, Ricky Womack, Duane Thomas, Dujuan Johnson, Alvin Hayes, Mickey Goodwin, Stanley Longstreet, Arthel Lawhorn, Frank Tate, Jimmy Paul, Danny Paul, Caveman Lee, David Braxton, Joe Manley, Roderick Moore,and Darnell Knox, all gloving up right next to him while not asking for his autograph or not asking to take photographs with him?? Or later on when Gerald McClellan, Fabian Wiliams, Frankie Liles and Michael Moorer all joined Kronk? Andy Lee might not even be allowed to use the ring back in those days
        What about Don Lee, Dennis Andries, and James Toney?

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        • Mishra100
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          #5
          Who are you going for in this fight and why iceman?

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          • JuicyJuice
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            #6
            Chris Eubank became king of the New York gyms in the fall of 1987, and he was only a novice pro. He beat a guy called Keith Providence to become 'king', that's according to some guy who was there.

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            • Rockin'
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              Caveman Lee was a strong guy. I watched him fight on the local cable down at Cobo, the old Kronk night at the fights. Milton, Philip Morefield, Dwight Davison,. There were always guys getting dropped in those, Kronk was the team back then. Its a regrowing dynasty right now, Emmanuel is setting it up nicely.

              And Juicy, James was never from Kronk.

              Rockin'

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              • JuicyJuice
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                Some guys are MUCH better in the gym than in the ring, I've known guys like Danny Williams who absolutely dominated and anihilated Henry Akinwande and later Maskaev in the gym but then goes and loses his head against the immortal Sinan Samil Sam. Chris Eubank says that he knew a gym fighter called Dennis Cruz back in New York (Eubank lived in the South Bronx from 1982 to 1988) who was the best boxer he's ever seen in the gym - even better than a teenage Mike Tyson and Herol Bomber Graham, but achieved nothing as a pro boxer.

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                • JuicyJuice
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                  Originally posted by Rockin1
                  And Juicy, James was never from Kronk.
                  Yeah, he trained there in early 1988 and beat up Andries. Don Lee I'm not sure about though, I think he may of sparred at Kronk a few times.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by JuicyJuice
                    he trained there in early 1988 and beat up Andries
                    And Michael Bentt!

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