Comments Thread For: Hearn: Wilder Skipping Cardiff is Bull****, Doesn't Want Joshua!

[BlakBread904]

didn't Wlad get into the ring after AJ's win over Dom Breazeale?

[j.razor]

Hearn is trying to milk this like arum did with #48. #48 ended up getting K.O.'d by Marquez so take note Eddie cuz if AJ loses then what?

[pollywog]

Windmill aint going because he's not confident AJ will beat Parker, meaning he'll look a fool because then whyte will get up in windmills grille and be his only option...

Fast Eddie knows this also and has windmill cornered. No matter if AJ wins or loses, Wilder is NOT fighting him next.

There's either a rematch clause or a whyte mando or a can of Miller to be crushed stateside before he even gets a look in.

Imagine windmill going over saying all that stuff about hyping an AJ fight and blah blah blah only for Joshua to lose?

He would look even more of a dumbass than ever!

[HarvardBlue]

That's not it. To be clear, I think Hearn is a lying SOS, but understand his motives here.

He promotes both Whyte and Joshua, and to understand his motives, just consider his top 3 motivations (1) money (2) more money (3) even more money.

Who is afraid of who, ducking who etc is all just irrelevant background noise.

Whyte v Wilder would ticks all of Hearn's boxes. He makes money, not just from the fight, but also from the outcome. If Whyte wins, its a lucrative double-dip rematch with Joshua, if Wilder goes to the UK and does a Stiverne on Whyte, then suddently everyone in the UK knows him and wants to see Joshua fight him. Bingo. Only risk is a if it were a boring fight, and with Wilder, that's pretty low risk.

For Hearn, this path to Joshua v Wilder is Business 101 and he's just expressing frustration that not everyone is on the same wavelength.

Wilder attending Cardiff is a no-brainer for him as part of building up the Wilder v Whyte part of his grand plan.

As I said, I think Hearn is a SOS, but where is he wrong in his thinking about how best to sell this ? In fighting Whyte, Wilder gets a 7 figure sum during the preliminaries to build up the Joshua fight, and blowing out Whyte would have all the UK fans baying for Joshua to be set on him - which is where Hearn wants to take it.

For me, the one and only question is why Wilder won't go down that road ? The only possible reasons could be

(a) getting poor advice
- I don't see any other viable alternatives to Hearn's grand plan as Wilder will NOT get Joshua next. If Wilder won't fight Whyte, Hearn is left with a Whyte v Joshua rematch, which while he gets to double-dip, doesn't really help build up the eventual big one (Joshua/Wilder)
- Wilder staying stateside to fight whoever else for less money doesn't seem to meet Wilder's needs or to build up any frenzy for the Joshua fight in the UK

(b) pride. Wants to be the one to dictate how it all goes down
- Joshua or nothing
- but he's not going to get Joshua, so back to (a)

(c) does he see Whyte as a risk ?
- Wilder should be able to beat Whyte handily, but we are back to 'then why not take it ?'

Putting it all together, I can only think that Wilder sees his big ticket as the Joshua fight, and sees Whyte as potentially derailing it, and doesn't want any potential derailments.

So we are where we are. Hearn won't go Joshua/Wilder next, and if Wilder won't fight Whyte, it leaves Hearn having to either try sell a bs rematch between Whyte and Joshua, else go Plan B to start building up Joshua in the US instead of building up Wilder in the UK (ie Big Baby).

Ok you make good points but the key to what you're saying is this is Hearns grand plan. Wilder's plan is to fight Joshua. He's been saying it since the Klitschko fight. Hearn has the right to make money but if Joshua beats Wilder that's a big deal. Joshua will be biggest thing in boxing especially with Canelo going through a cheating scandal. Hearn will be able to make his money regardless. Wilder beating Whyte won't change one thing about the potential clash between him and Joshua. I guarantee people will regard a win against Whyte as a win against another bum. The only fight that make sense is Wilder vs Joshua. Anything else (other than the Parker fight) is a waste of time. If I'm Wilder there's no need to be a part of Hearns grand plan of it doesn't mean Joshua is next.

[pollywog]

Wilder should go and call out the WINNER of the fight, if he's serious about being the best and unifying.

Hyping the AJ fight just makes him look like it's all about cashing in on a guaranteed payday.

I don't think windmill is confident he could beat Parker just like i don't think AJ is either.

Nor do I think Windmill is confident the giant glass jawed robot will beat Oilskin

[MC Hammer]

Stop trying to use Whyte as a shield. No one wants to see that fight. We know the whole set up was to get Whyte that fight in UK, but its not happening that way

[angkag]

Stop trying to use Whyte as a shield. No one wants to see that fight. We know the whole set up was to get Whyte that fight in UK, but its not happening that way

I assume you are addressing the first comment to Hearn. When you say 'no-one wants to see that fight', I assume you mean no-one in this boxing forum, and you're right. Trouble is there are hundreds of bumble-heads out there that will happily pay to see a Whyte - Joshua rematch (or Joshua vs anyone), so if Wilder doesn't take it, that's the fight that happens, else, or additionally, a Joshua v Miller fight afterwards.

So if Wilder doesn't take it (Whyte), he's going to be left out in the cold.

As for Wilder's rematch suggestion that he gets the same terms as Joshua in a rematch, there are A side/B side similarities with Canelo/Golovkin, and even DLH wasn't coked up enough to say yes to that sort of arrangement. Like Golovkin, Wilder needs to take what's offered or it doesn't happen. No harm in starting with a 50/50 demand or whatever, but he's going to have to take something less + a rematch clause with terms left open, else again, the fight simply never happens.

[pollywog]

Stop trying to use Whyte as a shield. No one wants to see that fight. We know the whole set up was to get Whyte that fight in UK, but its not happening that way

Whyte isn't a shield. He's probably the legit mando and #1 challenger windmill will be forced to take!

Fast Eddie has circled the wagons around wilder who now has no where else to go.

Everytime wilder mentions AJ, Hearn will mention whyte.

Windmill has realised the old maxim...You can't lose if you don't play.

He don't want to play no more cos he's lost already so is gonna sit and sulk in alabammy now...

[Jkp]

I knew this would happen, as soon as Wilder found out Whyte would be there he **** himself! If ever more proof was needed he is scared stiff of Whyte then here it is. Why you ducking Deontay ?? It's onnnnnly the bodysnatcher?????

So he's scared of Whyte but not scared of AJ or Ortiz?

Whyte is a C grade slow bum. Theres nothing to be scared of. Stop buying Eddie Hearns lies and get a brain.

[Jkp]

Ok you make good points but the key to what you're saying is this is Hearns grand plan. Wilder's plan is to fight Joshua. He's been saying it since the Klitschko fight. Hearn has the right to make money but if Joshua beats Wilder that's a big deal. Joshua will be biggest thing in boxing especially with Canelo going through a cheating scandal. Hearn will be able to make his money regardless. Wilder beating Whyte won't change one thing about the potential clash between him and Joshua. I guarantee people will regard a win against Whyte as a win against another bum. The only fight that make sense is Wilder vs Joshua. Anything else (other than the Parker fight) is a waste of time. If I'm Wilder there's no need to be a part of Hearns grand plan of it doesn't mean Joshua is next.

Exactly, boxing isnt about making Eddie Hearn money. Its about putting on the fight the fans want. AJ vs Wilder is the only fight to make, any other fight is just Eddie fleecing the gullible UK fanboys.

Whyte is a joke, he is a C grade bum, he has no business getting in the way of the AJ/Wilder fight.