Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman Defending Doping Again

[Combat Talk Radio]

There is no excuse for not giving 'Nelo 90 day suspension or whatever to get the steroids he accidentally ate out of his system so he'll be clean the entire training camp. Absolutely no excuse.

Yeah, just let him piss it all out, cycle off, flush it, whatevs...NSAC, just get out of the way.

- ESPN

[Slicc]

Stephen A is right. It's utterly ridiculous.

Ya'll ball JuGGGlers are afraid about May 5th so you're desperately looking for a way out

May 5th is coming. It's coming. Can't wait

Funny, because I've openly criticized both GGG and Clenelo in the past. If GGG tested positive, I'd probably call him Triple Roid or something, but he didn't. Why are you not concerned about Canel's 2 failed drug tests? Do you hate GGG so much, that you're completely okay with Canelo doping?

[paulf]

and oj has 20 years of being murder free.

I'd like to take a moment to thank you for still posting 'round here, bro. P4P one of the funniest dudes we've ever had on NSB.

[daggum]

I'd like to take a moment to thank you for still posting 'round here, bro. P4P one of the funniest dudes we've ever had on NSB.

thank you. oj recently got released so he's relevant again! more oj jokes!

[Street]

Stephen A made such a good argument that I now switched from cancelling the fight to let it happen

If the masses ask for gun control, give it to them
If the masses ask for GGG vs Canelo 2, give it to the
For the People by the People

[Bjl12]

Funny, because I've openly criticized both GGG and Clenelo in the past. If GGG tested positive, I'd probably call him Triple Roid or something, but he didn't. Why are you not concerned about Canel's 2 failed drug tests? Do you hate GGG so much, that you're completely okay with Canelo doping?

I AM concerned. However, I am not privy to the information and evidence.

I need to WAIT and see what the investigation reveals.

We DO know a few things.

We know what Clenbuterol is and what it isn't.

We do know however the drug was taken it was an isolated dose (at least at THAT time) since the 2nd test demonstrated appropriate half-life levels

We do know Mexico has a notorious problem with, specifically, Clenbuterol in their meat. NFL players have gotten into trouble over it, FIFA players have troubles, boxers, bodybuilders, all kinds of athletes.

We also know Canelo has tested negative every other time he's ever been tested, including 2017 when he did 365 VADA.

So, yes, I'm concerned. PED's in a sport where one person HITS another person is a big fucking deal. I work in healthcare. Big ****ing deal. That's some murder **** and why I will always despise Margarito - that fucking CLOWN.

However, with all things considered, I can't convict Canelo WITHOUT additional evidence. He has no track record. He tested positive for a substance that is specifically problematic where he lives. He tested positive ~10 weeks before competition (most guys haven't even started training yet).

Also, Clenbuterol is not an anabolic steroid. It does not BUILD CRAZY BIG MUSCLES (no matter how much Gennady says it does). It is an asthmatic medicine that is also used to increase metabolism...burn fat while retain muscle...which is why it's useful for bodybuilders who want as low body fat % as possible.

Intentional use of Clenbuterol would offer negligent benefits ~10 weeks out from a fight. However, it definitely COULD be useful approaching weigh-in since it has diuretic properties. Again this didn't happen 10 days before the fight...it happened weeks before camp.

So let's see what evidence/information is revealed before passing judgment. The guy has a clean track record. Is not using a "real PED". Did not change overnight (his Khan KO had nothing to do with PED usage). And his "alibi" has some credence since Mexico does have a well-documented history with Clen.

I'm not saying I believe Canelo, but I'm not going to burn him at the stake yet either. At least not yet. Let's see April 10 what comes out.

[Bjl12]

would floyd be afraid of pa?c if pac tested positive or pumped his body full of diluting iv fluid? he would still fight i'm sure

wasn't the whole point of testing to stop cheaters? not just say hey there is a cheater ok thats fine lets fight. why did you waste 5 years of your life screaming about peds and testing? that was kind of silly.

You don't understand what PED is to begin with. Clenbuterol is not a PED when used ~10 weeks out from competition. It's very odd though. Clen has zero masking properties so there's nothing additional going on, at least not from THAT sample collected.

Mexico does actually have a well-documented history with that specific drug. NFL players have been jammed up over it, an entire FIFA team, other Mexican pro boxers, several pro bodybuilders, etc. The point is...no matter how crappy it sounds...it is a feasible alibi.

Again, I'm not saying I accept w/e Canelo is saying. Just saying we don't have enough evidence to make any judgment. He's had 5 years of clean testing, did 365 VADA during 2017...passed every test.

But yeah if this was 10 days out from fight...I'd say torch the guy. It was weeks before training camp began...which is very odd.

[Street15]

Canelo is not part of the 24/7/365 VADA program. He isn't part of ANY 365 testing program. His testing starts as soon as they let the commission know that the contract is signed until right after the fight. That's the only time he, like most boxers, are tested. Which leaves too much of a huge gap in between fights to cycle on and cycle off.

I believe the only 24/7/365 boxer is Donaire. And Edwin Rodriguez jumped on it not too long ago as well.

[Bjl12]

and oj has 20 years of being murder free.

it's banned and masks other peds. you are just a fanboy. you will be saying the opposite in a week. until then!

Clenbuterol is NOT a masking agent. It as a medicine for Asthma, similar to Advair (if you're knowledgeable of brand names). It dilates your bronchioles which allows more oxygen to pass through...which is important when you're having an ASTHMA attack (bronchioles CONSTRICT - REDUCED O2 passage).

Clenbuterol also increases metabolism since the receptors involved (Beta 2 Agonists) exist in more areas of your body than just your airways. So this also helps "burn fat". It does not - IN ANY WAY - build muscle. A product of BURNING FAT...results in INCREASED MUSCLE PERCENTAGE.

THERE'S NO MUSCLE BUILDING. This is why bodybuilders, cyclists, and boxers have used Clen as they approach competition...lose as much body fat % as possible.

As well as being an effective bronchodilator, clenbuterol can have a range of other effects, including an increase in:

aerobic capacity (the amount of oxygen the body can use during physical exercise)
the body’s ability to transport oxygen, and
the body’s ability to metabolise fat.

This final property leads some people to use it as a potential weight-loss aid and to increase lean muscle mass.

However, using the drug ~10 weeks out of competition makes zero sense at all. It offers no benefit. This is important:

Skeletal muscle turnover occurs in 3-30 days (depending on diet, activity, genetics, etc.). I can give you all the "studies" and "science" you need, but your muscles don't last forever which is why you "lose it" if you don't "use it".

PED's THAT FAR OUT MEAN NOTHING. And Clen isn't a PED unless it was used to MAKE WEIGHT OR on the DAY OF FIGHT for STAMINA (which is what cyclists used it for - increased airway of bronchioles).

[_Maxi]

Canelo has 5 years of clean drug testing using VADA 365 program.

Absolutely FALSE. In fact, he pulled out of VADA when fighting Smith. When he did VADA, he only did for two months, for a few fights. Never 365.

Saul Alvarez no longer in VADA for his upcoming September 17, 2016 bout.

http://vada-testing.org/saul-alvarez/