Why are the clenelo fanboys

[bigdunny1]

What do you think about 72 hours between the 2 tests without any drop in the clen levels in his body, considering they should have gone within 36 hours on average, or is that too logical for you to think about

That's a lie it doesn't leave your system in 36 hours. The NFL player who tested positive for this went to Mexico for 1 week vacation. Yet days after he was already back in the US he was drug tested and still had traces. Also the head of the WADA lab said the canelo test results including the drop in levels in the second test were consistent with meat contamination studies. Same also here is memo explaining it.

https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/general-nacional/deportes/por-este-motivo-habria-saul-alvarez-dado-positivo-en-clembuterol-443139-443139#ixzz59CFfL8SU

The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia.

The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco.

The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second.

"When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and I It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat.

"In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added.

"There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico."
If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand.

Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean.

[Shape up]

That's a lie it doesn't leave your system in 36 hours. The NFL player who tested positive for this went to Mexico for 1 week vacation. Yet days after he was already back in the US he was drug tested and still had traces. Also the head of the WADA lab said the canelo test results including the drop in levels in the second test were consistent with meat contamination studies. Same also here is memo explaining it.

https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/general-nacional/deportes/por-este-motivo-habria-saul-alvarez-dado-positivo-en-clembuterol-443139-443139#ixzz59CFfL8SU

The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia.

The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco.

The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second.

"When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and I It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat.

"In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added.

"There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico."
If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand.

Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean.

The letter sent by VADA shows there was no drop in levels between the 2 tests, so how can that be

[bigdunny1]

The letter sent by VADA shows there was no drop in levels between the 2 tests, so how can that be

Yes there was go read the letter again and look at the decimal point there is an extra 0. It went from 0.6-0.8 to 0.06-.08ng. 1ng or lower is levels WADA consider low ultra trace amount and consistent with meat contamination. And Memo explained how it drops days later.

[SAINTSTEVE]

I've heard it said that women think from their emotions but men think from their logic and facts. Well that's obviously not true else why do we need 100 threads saying the same thing when nobody knows if it was contaminated meat or not? Do they give livestock in Mexico clenbuterol? Well yes they do. Do that in Mexico.

[Shape up]

Yes there was go read the letter again and look at the decimal point there is an extra 0. It went from 0.6-0.8 to 0.06-.08ng. 1ng or lower is levels WADA consider low ultra trace amount and consistent with meat contamination. And Memo explained how it drops days later.

My apologies, you are right, but in that time it should have cleared his body, considering he was also training, his metabolic rate should have cleared it more quickly than usual, still something very wrong, not adding up

[Redd Foxx]

Are you of Mexican decent by any chance

The only way you can defend your ignorant-ass thread is to say everyone who disagrees with you is Mexican. You are trash.

[Evil_Meat]

Acting like it was actually GGG that failed 2 drug tests, I'm sure if it was GGG that failed 2 tests that the fight would already be cancelled and the investigation already completed with a suspension handed out, how can the clowns call themselves boxing fans supporting a cheat, regardless of how the clen got into his system, he is responsible, does anyone know if these were the first 2 tests conducted on clenelo since the last fight

You're sick. You're way too salty and it's not good for you. Get off the Saulbuterol.

[Citizen Koba]

I haven't forgotten anything, a drug cheat is a drug cheat, I've never bagged wilder, I've bagged fluid IVayweather for the masking, Lucas Browne for clen amongst others, meat contamination isn't an excuse, if you know there is issues involving meat then at this level in boxing you import any meat you want to eat, what I find interesting is how there has been a number of threads regarding the short window for testing clen, how it disappears from your body within 24/36 hours, yet clenelo was tested twice, the 17th February and the 20th February and the results for bot tests came back at 0.6-0.8 for both tests, so the levels in his body didn't drop at all and the tests had something like 72 hours between them, why hasn't that been mentioned

Just to Clarify. The half life (strictly elimination half life in the case of drugs) of a chemical is the amount of time it takes for the body to eliminate (process and excrete) half of the amount of the chemical or it's metabolites that are present in blood plasma or urine. So after one half life there will be half as great a concentration of the drug present, after two half lives, one quarter the amount after three half lives 1/8 and so on.. I'm not quite sure where this idea came from that a drug would somehow be gone from/ undetectable in someone's system after a single half-life.

The released figures for Canelos test results were not 600 - 800pg each time, but 600 - 800pg on the first test and 60 - 80pg on the second test 3 days later, which shows - as expected that the chemical Clenbuterol (which does not metabolise significantly) was being eliminated from his body. The only question raised is that the elimination process seems to have happened significantly faster than would have been expected in normal circumstances.

The accepted figure in academic research for the half-life of Clenbuterol is about 35 - 36 hours (1), which would mean that in the 72 hours between Canelo's two tests we would have expected Canelo's urinary concentration to drop to around a quarter it's original value (roughly 150 - 200pg) whereas the measured value was very significantly lower (60 -80pg). There are methods for accelerating the elimination of a drug from one's system of course - such as drinking copious amounts of fluids, but this is a measure one would be unlikely to take unless one already knew that the first test was likely to pop dirty.

That said, I ain't any kind of expert on this matter and there may be some other plausible explanation for this anomaly, although I've yet to hear the question even raised publicly.

(1) The lower figures quoted for the half life in Clenbuterol can in many cases be traced back to research on ****, which for all practical purposes are irrelevant due to inter-species variability. Rabbits, for instance have a Clen half-life of approximately 8-9 hours.

ttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

[Shape up]

The only way you can defend your ignorant-ass thread is to say everyone who disagrees with you is Mexican. You are trash.

I see you didnt answer my question though, have you got a horse in the race, i havent, i have absolutely no connection to eitber fighter in nationality

[Shape up]

Just to Clarify. The half life (strictly elimination half life in the case of drugs) of a chemical is the amount of time it takes for the body to eliminate (process and excrete) half of the amount of the chemical or it's metabolites that are present in blood plasma or urine. So after one half life there will be half as great a concentration of the drug present, after two half lives, one quarter the amount after three half lives 1/8 and so on.. I'm not quite sure where this idea came from that a drug would somehow be gone from/ undetectable in someone's system after a single half-life.

The released figures for Canelos test results were not 600 - 800pg each time, but 600 - 800pg on the first test and 60 - 80pg on the second test 3 days later, which shows - as expected that the chemical Clenbuterol (which does not metabolise significantly) was being eliminated from his body. The only question raised is that the elimination process seems to have happened significantly faster than would have been expected in normal circumstances.

The accepted figure in academic research for the half-life of Clenbuterol is about 35 - 36 hours (1), which would mean that in the 72 hours between Canelo's two tests we would have expected Canelo's urinary concentration to drop to around a quarter it's original value (roughly 150 - 200pg) whereas the measured value was very significantly lower (60 -80pg). There are methods for accelerating the elimination of a drug from one's system of course - such as drinking copious amounts of fluids, but this is a measure one would be unlikely to take unless one already knew that the first test was likely to pop dirty.

That said, I ain't any kind of expert on this matter and there may be some other plausible explanation for this anomaly, although I've yet to hear the question even raised publicly.

(1) The lower figures quoted for the half life in Clenbuterol can in many cases be traced back to research on ****, which for all practical purposes are irrelevant due to inter-species variability. Rabbits, for instance have a Clen half-life of approximately 8-9 hours.

ttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696

Great post, explains heaps more about the situation,, thankyou,