If Youre A Pro Boxer....

[Elroy The Great]

''hhhmmmm....this roider isnt fighting like a roider. hes fighting like he always does. ok, we need to find another reason. HEALTH. yes, thats it !!! its not good for them !!! getting hit on the head and body repeated IS doe. ok, we got bad for a boxers health (even though a guy has to abuse them). what else.....fairness !!!! its not fair for some to LOOK like an immortal (whatever that looks like). and the biggest reason is roiders always win ! what....their w/l % is sad ?!?!? fnck it, lets go with health and fairness and because we say so. the we say so rule shlts on science all the time !!!''

[travestyny]

and they click enter on it.............

WHERES THE PROVEN ADVANTAGE AT?!?! dont give me ''its possible''. lets say youre looking at video of 5 guys training in beast mode. one of thems your opponent. which one do you fight ?!?!? or do you duck them all and wait for test results . as if somehow, after watching how they trained, it will magically effect what youve done.

its ok for non roiders to permanently injure and kill but not ok for roiders to gain muscle mass !!!!

speak of mlb, fnck a record. records are meant to be broken. why do you think baseballs are livelier and parks smaller ?!?!? your group remind me of baseball ''purists'' who hate the dh rule. says its not the way baseball should be played.

yeah, it makes perfect sense to send an embarrassment to the plate only to see that player strikeout or hit into a double play. the AL has used the history of that position to come to a LOGICAL conclusion....dont embarrass a guy by making him swing a bat.

''its more of a chess match to see pitchers hit.''

holy fncking mother of senseless children !!!!!

if sports were to regulate roids, whats the worse that can happen ?!?!?!

and thanks for ducking the open post and evan fields. ALL witch hunters do.

I didn't duck anything. I have no idea what your point is with "Evan Fields" so I didn't see anything to respond to.


I posted this picture in a discussion before. I'm sure you're aware of it:



One moron replied:

Berto's eyes looked just as bad after his fight with Guerrero. Loaded wraps?

Vargas' left eye looked even worse from Mosley's right hands. Loaded wraps?

Liston put 39 stitches in Wepners face and broke his cheekbone, no loaded wraps.

Ok....Does that mean that we should allow loaded wraps because according to this guy damage can be done similar to this even without loaded wraps?



There is a clear advantage to using PED's. There have been studies done about it. It's clear to see. Even if the advantages are just that the guys can train harder, isn't that an advantage? Don't you remember the study done by the guy who said he could beat the athlete biological passport?

Now that I had posted a "clean" performance marker, it was time to enter the loading phase.

I flew past my previous mark and hung on for more than 12 minutes and 375 watts. This gave me a score of 63, a 7% increase in seven weeks. When you consider that even half a percentage point can make the difference in elite sport, that is a huge bump.

There was no elation. More a weary acceptance of what I had suspected: if you put two people of equal ability up against one another, and one is on drugs, the cheat will almost certainly win.

I'm sure you've seen that before. If it aids the athlete in training, allows them to recover quicker, allows them to have more stamina, it is clearly performance enhancing.

[Elroy The Great]

holy mother of brainless children....how complicated could this post be
(coming up with a legit reason to not fight the guy takes time !!!!!!)

How shook would you be if your opponent failed a test ?!?!?

would you cancel and pass up a huge payday ?

me, i wouldnt.
give the guy all the roids he thinks he needs to win.

what HE takes wont effect what I DO.

I didn't duck anything. I have no idea what your point is with "Evan Fields" so I didn't see anything to respond to.


I posted this picture in a discussion before. I'm sure you're aware of it:



One moron replied:

Ok....Does that mean that we should allow loaded wraps because according to this guy damage can be done similar to this even without loaded wraps?

There is a clear advantage to using PED's. There have been studies done about it. It's clear to see. Even if the advantages are just that the guys can train harder, isn't that an advantage? Don't you remember the study done by the guy who said he could beat the athlete biological passport?


I'm sure you've seen that before. If it aids the athlete in training, allows them to recover quicker, allows them to have more stamina, it is clearly performance enhancing.

1) look up the connection between evander holyfield and evan fields...IF YOU DARE !
2) we should NEVER take a lunatics opinion seriously. although there is power in numbers. the more people who SWEAR roids taken RESPONSIBLY is harmful, the more people believe that NONSENSE !
3) ant hill to mountain, folk if he looks like hes done roids, its best to be shook.
4) thanks for getting off the mlb angle. it was for your best.
5) if you have the back bone and can be 10000% HONEST, do a roid pro/con.


5 will be ducked like a mfer !!!!!!!!!!

[travestyny]

holy mother of brainless children....how complicated could this post be
(coming up with a legit reason to not fight the guy takes time !!!!!!)

What are you talking about? Are you going back to "answer the OP." I don't recall you ever asking me to answer it, but it was already answered by multiple people and I already hinted at the answer.

Some would not fight an opponent on PED's because they don't want to fight someone who has an unfair advantage. Some might want to fight because they still want their money. It's simple. Some might pretend to be a macho man like you and say you'd fight anyone no matter how much PED's they are using. I tell you what. I guarantee they complain about it in the event that they lose.

1) look up the connection between evander holyfield and evan fields...IF YOU DARE !

I'm well aware of this. I still don't see the point. Yes, it may have shown that Holyfield was juicing. What is the point?

2) we should NEVER take a lunatics opinion seriously. although there is power in numbers. the more people who SWEAR roids taken RESPONSIBLY is harmful, the more people believe that NONSENSE !

Harmful to whom? You can take roids responsibly and break a world record. That's harmful to the sport. You can take roids responsibly and have the extra stamina to knock an opponent out late in a fight. That's harmful to an opponent when you take into account that it wasn't an even playing field. You can take a responsible dose of Toradol and have more resistance to pain. That's harmful to your body.

3) ant hill to mountain, folk if he looks like hes done roids, its best to be shook.

What does the look have to do with it. I don't recall anyone saying anything about how someone looks other than you. Why is that important? I don't recall anyone ducking Joshua because he may "look like" he is on steroids.

4) thanks for getting off the mlb angle. it was for your best.

I never got off that "angle." It's a long season and those guys had the strength to keep belting home runs because their bodies were recovering faster. This is obvious.

5) if you have the back bone and can be 10000% HONEST, do a roid pro/con.


5 will be ducked like a mfer !!!!!!!!!!

What is there to duck? We are doing a pro/con, aren't we? Am I supposed to be scared to talk about the pros and cons of steroid abuse? I'm not. That's what we are doing.

What are the pros? Lazy people do shlt that they couldn't have naturally done, or good people do beyond what they could have naturally done? Great!

[Elroy The Great]

What are you talking about? Are you going back to "answer the OP." I don't recall you ever asking me to answer it, but it was already answered by multiple people and I already hinted at the answer.

Some would not fight an opponent on PED's because they don't want to fight someone who has an unfair advantage. Some might want to fight because they still want their money. It's simple. Some might pretend to be a macho man like you and say you'd fight anyone no matter how much PED's they are using. I tell you what. I guarantee they complain about it in the event that they lose.

I'm well aware of this. I still don't see the point. Yes, it may have shown that Holyfield was juicing. What is the point?

Harmful to whom? You can take roids responsibly and break a world record. That's harmful to the sport. You can take roids responsibly and have the extra stamina to knock an opponent out late in a fight. That's harmful to an opponent when you take into account that it wasn't an even playing field. You can take a responsible dose of Toradol and have more resistance to pain. That's harmful to your body.


What does the look have to do with it. I don't recall anyone saying anything about hoe someone looks other than you. Why is that important? I don'r recall anyone ducking Joshua because he may "look like" he is on steroids.

I never got off that "angle." It's a long season and those guys had the strength to keep belting home runs because their bodies were recovering faster. This is obvious.

What is there to duck? We are doing a pro/con, aren't we? Am I supposed to be scared to talk about the pros and cons of steroid abuse? I'm not. That's what we are doing.

What are the pros? Lazy people do shlt that they couldn't have naturally done, or good people do beyond what they could have naturally done. Great!

what about YOU, doe ?!?!?!? would YOU be too shook or would YOU handle that ''trace'' amounts mfer
''i hinted at an answer.''
wtf is that ?!?!?

1)''WHATS THE POINT ?'' did i read that correctly ?!?!? did you just ask me ''whats the point'' ?!?!? nah, thats just how hunters do. very selective in who they shame. heres a list for you to pick and choose which druggie you will gie out passES to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...ases_in_boxing

2) bruh, youre asking some REALLY ****** questions. i can go DAYS without sleep and not manage to muck up my pov as much as youre doing yours. if im taking roids RESPONSIBLY and have proven to never miss a game or a fight, well, THERE GOES YOUR ''ITS HARMFUL TO BOXERS'' claim, yes ?!?!?! fnck this, i know youre trolling me.....but ill play along

3) AGAIN, if you take a guy whos jacked on roids and place him next to a guy who did it naturally, why in the fnck will you be shook of dude who roided out ?!?!? to not even try. to instantly grab hold of that fetal position....bruh, i know people are lying just to save their warped pov.
''theres just no way i will survive, MUCH LESS win a fight vs a guy who roided up.'' EVEN THOUGH ROIDERS LOSE MORE THAN THEY WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

4) livier balls and shorter parks. FACTS, bruh. and no roids can EVER improve hand/eye coordination. PROVE ME WRONG !

5) that is the saddest, most forced pro/con ever. why did you evan, i mean even, bother ?!?!?! credit, doe. thats the best a witch hunter has ever mustered.

[travestyny]

what about YOU, doe ?!?!?!? would YOU be too shook or would YOU handle that ''trace'' amounts mfer
''i hinted at an answer.''
wtf is that ?!?!?

Trace amount? If we are talking about Canelo, then it depends. If it's found that it was from contaminated meat and they keep him clean from the point he was busted up until the fight, I'd say ok.

Otherwise, I'm saying no. Basically, I would need an expert to tell me that there was no enhancement at that level and for the investigation to prove that it wasn't done maliciously. We have to wait and see what the investigation finds.

To be clear. NO. I would not fight an opponent who was proven to have abused PED's.

1)''WHATS THE POINT ?'' did i read that correctly ?!?!? did you just ask me ''whats the point'' ?!?!? nah, thats just how hunters do. very selective in who they shame. heres a list for you to pick and choice with druggie you will gie out passES to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...ases_in_boxing

Who gave him a pass? Was it proven that he was guilty? If he gets popped then he should be stripped of his achievements. That would mean he cheated. End of story. What's needed is concrete proof, and that's a failed drug test.

2) burh, youre asking some REALLY ****** questions. i can go DAYS without sleep and not manage to muck up my pov as much as youre doing yours. if im taking roids RESPONSIBLY and have proven to never miss a game or a fight, well, THERE GOES YOUR ''ITS HARMFUL TO BOXERS'' claim, yes ?!?!?! fnck this, i know youre trolling me.....but ill play along

What? I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say here. If you're taking PED's "responsibly," you're cheating and benefitting from an unfair advantage, and that is harmful to the integrity of the sport as well as the opponent. I thought that was clear.

3) AGAIN, if you take a guy whos jacked on roids and place him next to a guy who did it naturally, why in the fnck will you be shook of dude who roided out ?!?!? to not even try. to instantly grab hold of that fetal position....bruh, i know people are lying just to save their warped pov.
''theres just no way i will survive, MUCH LESS win a fight vs a guy who roided up.'' EVEN THOUGH ROIDERS LOSE MORE THAN THEY WIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not about being "shook." It's about saying one guy clearly cheated and gained an unfair advantage and shouldn't be allowed to compete. Would you choose to fight someone with loaded gloves? Clearly no, right? Why would you choose to fight someone who you know was on PED's and took short cuts unnaturally while you busted your ass 2 months plus for training camp. When you're tired at the end of the fight, they are still fresh from the things they were taking. Their recovery is greater than yours UNNATURALLY. They are still throwing hard while you're fading. These are clear advantages.

Your point makes zero sense. You're trying to argue that since the pool of confirmed roiders have lost more than non-roiders, that means something. That's asinine. Maybe they were roiding in the first place because they weren't all that good. The point is that they are taking short cuts to get where they were. It could be as simple as them lasting a lot longer than if they didn't roid. Maybe they make it to the finish line when they would have been stopped.

Taking roids doesn't guarantee that the boxer will win. This is not a difficult concept to understand, but you seem to keep trying to argue this. IT IS STILL AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE AND TAKES AWAY FROM THE INTEGRITY OF THE SPORT. Not every roided runner broke the damn world record or even won, but they may have placed higher than if they weren't roiding. This isn't rocket science.

4) livier balls and shorter parks. FACTS, bruh. and no roids can EVER improve hand/eye coordination. PROVE ME WRONG !

Roids can increase stamina and recovery so guys in a 162 season who play many back to backs and sometimes double headers can do more. Prove me wrong. That's a clear advantage vs. people who aren't roiding.

5) that is the saddest, most forced pro/con ever. why did you evan, i mean even, bother ?!?!?! credit, doe. thats the best a witch hunter has ever mustered.

You are the one arguing for PED's. What are the pros? You claimed I would duck it, and then you said absolutely nothing about it. You want me to have a debate with myself?????

[Elroy The Great]

so many words without actually saying anything

Trace amount? If we are talking about Canelo, then it depends. If it's found that it was from contaminated meat and they keep him clean from the point he was busted up until the fight, I'd say ok.

Otherwise, I'm saying no. Basically, I would need an expert to tell me that there was no enhancement at that level and for the investigation to prove that it wasn't done maliciously. We have to wait and see what the investigation finds.

To be clear. NO. I would not fight an opponent who was proven to have abused PED's.



Who gave him a pass? Was it proven that he was guilty? If he gets popped then he should be stripped of his achievements. That would mean he cheated. End of story. What's needed is concrete proof, and that's a failed drug test.




What? I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say here. If you're taking PED's "responsibly," you're cheating and benefitting from an unfair advantage, and that is harmful to the integrity of the sport as well as the opponent. I thought that was clear.



It's not about being "shook." It's about saying one guy clearly cheated and gained an unfair advantage and shouldn't be allowed to compete. Would you choose to fight someone with loaded gloves? Clearly no, right? Why would you choose to fight someone who you know was on PED's and took short cuts unnaturally while you busted your ass 2 months plus for training camp. When you're tired at the end of the fight, they are still fresh from the things they were taking. Their recovery is greater than yours UNNATURALLY. They are still throwing hard while you're fading. These are clear advantages.

Your point makes zero sense. You're trying to argue that since the pool of confirmed roiders have lost more than non-roiders, that means something. That's asinine. Maybe they were roiding in the first place because they weren't all that good. The point is that they are taking short cuts to get where they were. It could be as simple as them lasting a lot longer than if they didn't roid. Maybe they make it to the finish line when they would have been stopped.

Taking roids doesn't guarantee that the boxer will win. This is not a difficult concept to understand, but you seem to keep trying to argue this. IT IS STILL AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE AND TAKES AWAY FROM THE INTEGRITY OF THE SPORT. Not every roided runner broke the damn world record or even won, but they may have placed higher than if they weren't roiding. This isn't rocket science.



Roids can increase stamina and recovery so guys in a 162 season who play many back to backs and sometimes double headers can do more. Prove me wrong. That's a clear advantage vs. people who aren't roiding.



You are the one arguing for PED's. What are the pros? You claimed I would duck it, and then you said absolutely nothing about it. You want me to have a debate with myself?????

so, what have we learned

trav loves them spaces

he feels a guy on the roids is automatically superior to him. he can just look at a guy and tell when to be shook. video of 5 guys training like beasts and he would have to have them go through rigorous testing before his courage kicks in....

he thinks evan fields is an urban legend.

he hates doing proper pros/cons unless may is involved


he gives the unknown too much credit

he loves to talk about roids harming something when there is absolutely no proof.

he acknowledges roids dont make a guy a winner, but they have this advantage. which is it ? losing better ?

its no wonder witch hunters are thorough in certain aspects of their pov but flimsy as F UC K with the majority of issues
(derrrrrrr.....what issues you be talking about. we dont duck nothin)

i will have to repeat myself cause hunters are lame like that.

evan f

[Elroy The Great]

You want me to have a debate with myself?????

YES. properly or why bother. here would be noooice

[travestyny]

so many words without actually saying anything



so, what have we learned

trav loves them spaces

he feels a guy on the roids is automatically superior to him. he can just look at a guy and tell when to be shook. video of 5 guys training like beasts and he would have to have them go through rigorous testing before his courage kicks in....

he thinks evan fields is an urban legend.

he hates doing proper pros/cons unless may is involved


he gives the unknown too much credit

he loves to talk about roids harming something when there is absolutely no proof.

he acknowledges roids dont make a guy a winner, but they have this advantage. which is it ? losing better ?

its no wonder witch hunters are thorough in certain aspects of their pov but flimsy as F UC K with the majority of issues
(derrrrrrr.....what issues you be talking about. we dont duck nothin)

i will have to repeat myself cause hunters are lame like that.

evan f

This is very simple.

If PED's are worthless, then people wouldn't risk their careers using them.


I thought that would be obvious to anyone with a brain.

[Elroy The Great]

This is very simple.

If PED's are worthless, then people wouldn't risk their careers using them.


I thought that would be obvious to anyone with a brain.

the ol standby, why do it if it didnt work

hence me trashing the idea roids needs to be banned. 100 pages and you still dont get it.

you didnt really need to quote that post !