If Youre A Pro Boxer....

[Elroy The Great]

one dude is clearly faster than his opponent. naturally
one dude is clearly faster than his opponent. p'e'ds, doe

the difference between the advantages

[TripleJ]

24 posts

winkwink

go watch a roid right. tell me where the advantages are.

I see common sense is overruled by post counts for you.

[travestyny]

You are all over the place in this rambling nonsense, contradicting yourself, and blatantly just making up studies that don't even exist. Honestly I'm not sure why I even wasted my time with this. A billion other posters already attacked you for this and I think everyone is content to just let you rot in here alone, so this is my last response on this. Good luck to you.

PROs/CONs of regulating roids in BOXING~

PROs -
IF they do what theyre supposed to do, chances are we get the best version of the boxer. if we see them training in beast mode, what difference does it make how they did it ?!?!? their arms and legs didnt get any longer. their fists arent about to burst out of the gloves. they WILL NOT turn into superheroes

What you get is an unnatural athlete. So this just boils down to your opinion that it will be better to watch an unnatural athlete than a natural athlete. This clearly goes against the ethics of fair play in sports, unless you're arguing that everyone should use steroids, and then it becomes whether you prefer to see athletes who achieve the highest level based on their hard work and natural ability or based on performance enhancing drugs. Sport was always to be about the individual, their character, their natural talent, and their hard work...not their chemist and who can find the best short cuts.

.....and going from video evidence, roiders have a terrible w/l % vs quality guys. and if you think a bum is going to beat a guy of a certain caliber, youre just inventing reasons why you hate roids

Your argument makes no sense. First of all, what is the win loss percentage of roiders? There are plenty of boxers who tested postive and have won. Isn't one injustice enough? Then, you'd have to factor in how their performance may have improved due to the drugs they took, whether they won or not.

theyre SAFER. FACT. ive posted linkS documenting injuries and deaths in the ring. NOT ONE ROIDER has victimized a fighter. EVER ! now, lets detail ''injury''...yes, a roider may have given a guy a bad cut or broken jaw....but those injuries are common. whatever injury a roider MAY have done, a natural fighter has done it 1000000000x worse.

This is really ******. Again, this is the same thing as saying natural boxers have broken orbital bones, so there is no reason to disallow a boxer from using plaster in his gloves. Referees often stop fights before it goes too far. See Ortiz when he tested postive vs. Kayode. How about Beltran when he tested positive vs. Ao. Ao was taking a beating before it was stopped. The causal relationship is between throwing punches and doing damage. You're taking a very small sample size and saying, "Look, these guys did PED's but didn't cause anyone to die or cause great injury." PED use is not only about strength first of all. Second, if there was a strict causal relationship, you'd be able to say roiding makes the sport safer, which it clearly doesn't because punching someone in the head is still punching someone in the head. So how the **** is it safer to punch someone in the head if you are on steroids than if you aren't. That's asinine and you must be trollin.

PUNISHMENTS would mean something. until science proves beyond ALL DOUBT regulated roids are indeed harmful, the sport will be using the right stuff. if a person went outside of the sport, life time ban. no parole. no 2nd chance. no ''it was in my food.'' or ''i didnt know''. before you take something, ASK THE SPORT IF ITS OK !!! its not hard.

How is this different from what is done now except with more leniency? What the hell? So couldn't they just say "these are the drugs we don't want you using. If you get popped, you're done forever." So your argument here is just based on what you find harmful to the boxer taking the drug. What is the effect of long term use of steroids? What is the effect of competing while using steroids over a boxing career? Obviously there have been no studies done on this, so what are you basing this off of? Again, this is ******. Asking the sport if it's ok is what they do now!!!

theres no proof. just a bunch of guessing and assuming. roids and the like dont guarantee anything but a guy will definitely get banned. how does that make sense ?!?!? a certain punishment for a '?' ?!?!?!?

You just said if the drugs do what they are supposed to do, you'd get the best version of the fighter. Now you're saying that if someone uses PED's, they might not get any advantage, so it makes no sense to punish them. So it made no sense to punish margarito because it can't be proven that he hit someone with the plaster, right? Forget attempted murder...they didn't murder anyone. This is so ****ing dumb.

''but, but....athletes might drop dead..............''

thats what keeps witch hunters going, the big ''what if'' that NEVER HAPPENS

''there is life on other planets, we just cant see it/them.''

You obviously don't know the first thing about fair competition and the spirt of sport. Also, I haven't read any studies about the long-term effect of steroids on a boxer, so I don't know what you are basing this on. Since steroids are prohibited, how can you argue that athletes aren't dropping dead when we know steroid use is prohibited. You'd have to look at the long-term effect of steroid use. There are plenty of side-effects of long-term steroid use, and we don't know how that is effected by a career in boxing.

CONs -
they fnck up a persons reputation and livelihood. and for what ?!?!?! there are no health issues with them not being regulated. think how much SAFER roids would be if sports regulated them.

This is simply not true. You have no idea how these drugs might affect someone over a long period of time. Doctors might not even know for sure because they wouldn't dare test people like guinea pigs and give them PED's over the course of a boxing career.

the misconception that there will be a roid outbreak among athletes (in this case boxers) and the sport will be ''ruined''

hilarious.

If people are willing to try cheating now, what will stop them from trying to find something that will take them above and beyond your regulated PED program for a better edge???

if there were 10000 EVAN FIELDS in the sport, not one mfer would be crying about how the sport is ruined. dude is a HOFer !!!! ive mentioned this guys name multiple times and not one hunter commented on it. hunters are selective on who they hunt.

sad bastards

This is an idiotic statement. First of all, no one is aware of whether he definitively cheated or not. Secondly, if it were known if he did, then people surely wouldn't view his accomplishments the same. That's the whole reason there is debate about whether people should be put into the baseball hall of fame or not and about asterisks. You're trying to say if people are ignorant to it, it doesn't matter. It's asinine to say that if a wrong is tolerated before it comes to light, then the wrong just shouldn't come to light at all and that makes it better. What kind of sense does that make? We should stop investigating people for murder, and then people will believe the murder rate has decreased and everyone will be happy. Great logic there.

[Elroy The Great]

You are all over the place in this rambling nonsense, contradicting yourself, and blatantly just making up studies that don't even exist. Honestly I'm not sure why I even wasted my time with this. A billion other posters already attacked you for this and I think everyone is content to just let you rot in here alone, so this is my last response on this. Good luck to you.



What you get is an unnatural athlete. So this just boils down to your opinion that it will be better to watch an unnatural athlete than a natural athlete. This clearly goes against the ethics of fair play in sports, unless you're arguing that everyone should use steroids, and then it becomes whether you prefer to see athletes who achieve the highest level based on their hard work and natural ability or based on performance enhancing drugs. Sport was always to be about the individual, their character, their natural talent, and their hard work...not their chemist and who can find the best short cuts.



Your argument makes no sense. First of all, what is the win loss percentage of roiders? There are plenty of boxers who tested postive and have won. Isn't one injustice enough? Then, you'd have to factor in how their performance may have improved due to the drugs they took, whether they won or not.



This is really ******. Again, this is the same thing as saying natural boxers have broken orbital bones, so there is no reason to disallow a boxer from using plaster in his gloves. Referees often stop fights before it goes too far. See Ortiz when he tested postive vs. Kayode. How about Beltran when he tested positive vs. Ao. Ao was taking a beating before it was stopped. The causal relationship is between throwing punches and doing damage. You're taking a very small sample size and saying, "Look, these guys did PED's but didn't cause anyone to die or cause great injury." PED use is not only about strength first of all. Second, if there was a strict causal relationship, you'd be able to say roiding makes the sport safer, which it clearly doesn't because punching someone in the head is still punching someone in the head. So how the **** is it safer to punch someone in the head if you are on steroids than if you aren't. That's asinine and you must be trollin.




How is this different from what is done now except with more leniency? What the hell? So couldn't they just say "these are the drugs we don't want you using. If you get popped, you're done forever." So your argument here is just based on what you find harmful to the boxer taking the drug. What is the effect of long term use of steroids? What is the effect of competing while using steroids over a boxing career? Obviously there have been no studies done on this, so what are you basing this off of? Again, this is ******. Asking the sport if it's ok is what they do now!!!



You just said if the drugs do what they are supposed to do, you'd get the best version of the fighter. Now you're saying that if someone uses PED's, they might not get any advantage, so it makes no sense to punish them. So it made no sense to punish margarito because it can't be proven that he hit someone with the plaster, right? Forget attempted murder...they didn't murder anyone. This is so ****ing dumb.



You obviously don't know the first thing about fair competition and the spirt of sport. Also, I haven't read any studies about the long-term effect of steroids on a boxer, so I don't know what you are basing this on. Since steroids are prohibited, how can you argue that athletes aren't dropping dead when we know steroid use is prohibited. You'd have to look at the long-term effect of steroid use. There are plenty of side-effects of long-term steroid use, and we don't know how that is effected by a career in boxing.






This is simply not true. You have no idea how these drugs might affect someone over a long period of time. Doctors might not even know for sure because they wouldn't dare test people like guinea pigs and give them PED's over the course of a boxing career.




If people are willing to try cheating now, what will stop them from trying to find something that will take them above and beyond your regulated PED program for a better edge???



This is an idiotic statement. First of all, no one is aware of whether he definitively cheated or not. Secondly, if it were known if he did, then people surely wouldn't view his accomplishments the same. That's the whole reason there is debate about whether people should be put into the baseball hall of fame or not and about asterisks. You're trying to say if people are ignorant to it, it doesn't matter. It's asinine to say that if a wrong is tolerated before it comes to light, then the wrong just shouldn't come to light at all and that makes it better. What kind of sense does that make? We should stop investigating people for murder, and then people will believe the murder rate has decreased and everyone will be happy. Great logic there.

1) you claim im contradicting myself without show examples. typical hunter. spewing lies. if you dont have time or feel youve wasted it, oh well. i didnt pm you or tag you. you came in thinking you had the answers when you clearly dont. and its not strange how people who are rallying for something vote against free thinkers. have fun with the herd.

2) when you say unnatural, you mean finding this out ONLY AFTER A FAILED TEST COMES BACK, YES ?!?!?!? up to, during and immediately after the fight, for all intents and purposes, THAT BOXER WAS NATURAL !!!!!!!!!!!!! so, why in the fnck are you hunters crying ?!?!? its not as if dude entered training camp 155 lbs, 5'8'' and entered the ring 200 lbs of muscles and 6'3''.

ill reiterate my pov....if the shlt isnt noticeable before the tests, SHUT THE F UC K UP !!!!!! until science says, beyond all doubt, that roids guarantee victory, SHUT THE F UC K UP ! its not hard.

3) if roiders dont win every fight they roid in, how do you know roids won them that fight ?!?!? derrrrrrrrrrrrr...............heres a coin. give it a good flip

4) you dumbass. when a boxer uses regulated equipment, whatever damage thats inflicted is the NATURE OF THE SPORT OF BOXING !!!!!!!! doesnt happen often, but shlt happens. its no secret. roids OR NOT, getting hit can cause injury/death. your clique is pissed off NO ROIDER HAS EVER DAMAGED A BOXER LIKE A NATURAL GUY HAS ! PERIOD so while you and youre kind fumble around creating ridiculous scenarios to fit your ******ed agenda, the best you can do is ''its the rules. dont like it, too bad. so there !''

bltchism 101

and which is it ? p'e'ds/roids add unnatural strength or not ? right. it matters on what your agenda is at that moment.

foh

5) NOPE. find shlt that TRULY and SCIENTIFICALLY affects the outcome of a fight where such an occurence WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF DUDE WAS NATURAL !!!!!!!!!! youre getting dumber by the word, bruh. shlt should all about absolute proof if youre going to absolutely shame, ban, punish a person. or just keep flipping that coin i gave you.

6) did you notice that lovely 2 letter word ''IF''. a blubber butt like tubbs can get in there and do serious work, ANYONE who exits training camp in layman condition should do work. all of this ''roid'' terror is mental. NO ONE KNOWS DURING A FIGHT IF A DUDE IS JUICED !

7) that word ''might'' doe !!!!!!! LET IT GO. make noise when you can replace ''might'' with something more substantial

8) if sports regulate the stuff, there wont be a need to ''cheat''. derrrrrrrrrrrr...........
and if someone is so desperate that they go outside of the sport, they get perma banned. AS IVE CONSISTENTLY SUGGESTED. problem easily resolved.

9) and your kind arent even willing to investigate. BUT I WILL.....(some links will have *'s . i will try and fix them). true, not concrete evidence.....but lets use your key words ''might, if, could, possible....''

http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2014...-steroids.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...ds-battle.html

http://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=2782741

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=593564

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comm...eater_amongst/

https://nypost.com/2007/03/02/report...-buy-steroids/

on and fncking on

now if you search ''evan fields''


you WILL NOT get any roid info NOT connected with lovable evanders name attached !

your kind wont click on anything that WILL DESTROY your holier than thou stance. if your kind had ANY credibility OTHER THAN NUMBERS, youd do some impartial/unbiased investigating.. DONT MAKE ME LAUGH

10) hows that debate of yours coming or are you too shook

[Elroy The Great]

I'm dying to find one page here where someone wasn't commenting on how ****** you are.

You seriously have to be trolling. Really. Look at nearly every damn page. It's embarrassing.

stop needing others to dictate what you do.

or

just say youre too shook to give roids/p'e'ds an HONEST and IMPARTIAL debate (with you seeing things from both sides).

''the pro roid ban crowd mocks you, elroy.''

no fncking shlt !

[Elroy The Great]

curious thing about witch hunters....

some boxers dont need a failed test to get them going
other guys need 100 different organizations to come back with failed test results before the hunters even consider name calling him

[travestyny]

1) you claim im contradicting myself without show examples.

You're saying that PEDs should be legalized and regulated...yet you're saying when someone goes beyond what the commission regulates, they should be banned. So in your regulated PED world......people should receive sanctions.....for cheating with PED's????????????????

You ****ing dope.

2) when you say unnatural, you mean finding this out ONLY AFTER A FAILED TEST COMES BACK, YES ?!?!?!? up to, during and immediately after the fight, for all intents and purposes, THAT BOXER WAS NATURAL !!!!!!!!!!!!! so, why in the fnck are you hunters crying ?!?!?

Why cry if you find out a guy had plaster in his gloves afterward if it was believed he went into the ring naturally? More ******ity from you.

if the shlt isnt noticeable before the tests, SHUT THE F UC K UP !!!!!!

Luis Resto would have loved if everyone were as ****** as you.

until science says, beyond all doubt, that roids guarantee victory, SHUT THE F UC K UP ! its not hard.

Cheating is only cheating if the cheater wins? More ******ity.

3) if roiders dont win every fight they roid in, how do you know roids won them that fight ?!?!?

It's not about them winning the fight. It's about their performance being enhanced. YOU can't prove that a boxers who is a confirmed roider and won a fight didn't win due to taking the roids, and that's the whole point. Eliminate that possiblity altogether and have the boxers fight off their natural ability instead of wondering if it was because of roids, numbskull.

4) you dumbass. when a boxer uses regulated equipment, whatever damage thats inflicted is the NATURE OF THE SPORT OF BOXING !!!!!!!! doesnt happen often, but shlt happens. its no secret. roids OR NOT, getting hit can cause injury/death.

The nature of the sport is the natural efforts of one man to overcome another through hard work, skill, and strategy, dumbass. It's not about who had a better chemist that allowed them to take short cuts, artificially increase stamina, increase recovery, artificially gain strength, etc. And you still fail to recognize that there are en****** put in place to prevent death in boxing, Dumbass. It's the referees jobs to protect the fighter from death or major injury.

and which is it ? p'e'ds/roids add unnatural strength or not ? right. it matters on what your agenda is at that moment.

foh

It depends on what is being taken, dumbass. It could be for stamina. It could be for recovery to put in more work, which can increase strength. It could be for cutting weight. Read a fcking book.

5) NOPE. find shlt that TRULY and SCIENTIFICALLY affects the outcome of a fight where such an occurence WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IF DUDE WAS NATURAL !!!!!!!!!! youre getting dumber by the word, bruh. shlt should all about absolute proof if youre going to absolutely shame, ban, punish a person. or just keep flipping that coin i gave you.

Some fights might not have even happened if the guys didn't use drugs to cut weight. Eric Morales failed to make weight for Garcia. He gets busted with clenbuterol for the rematch, but he made weight didn't he? Know one of clenbuterol's uses? Cutting weight. Surprise surprise. It's quite possible that because of clenbuterol, he made himself "fit enough" for the show to go on and get his ass kicked instead of being found to be unfit to fight. That's a good case of a PED being a detriment to the user.

And again, your argument that a person shouldn't be punished because you can't prove that the PED was the direct cause of the outcome of the fight is beyond ******ed. You want to eliminate the chance of that completely. If I ask you to prove that a roided winner did not benefit from PED's, can you do it? No. So shut the fck up. If I ask you to prove that PEDs didn't play a part in a losing boxer lasting longer in a match or performing better than when natural, can you do it? No. So shut the fkkc up.

NO ONE KNOWS DURING A FIGHT IF A DUDE IS JUICED !

Obviously. That's why there is drug testing you moron. Your problem is you believe taking PEDs has to show a direct link to winning to fit your ******ed agenda. Having an unfair advantage doesn't always guarantee a win. Boxers with a weight advantage don't always win, but there are weight classes for a ****ing reason. Boxers who abuse PEDs don't always win, but they are prohibited for a clear reason. Because the sport is to be engaged in based on the natural ability of the athletes. If you can't understand that, find a new ****ing sport. Watch pro wresting instead. By the way, why do you think a lot of those guys are able to perform so frequently?

7) that word ''might'' doe !!!!!!! LET IT GO. make noise when you can replace ''might'' with something more substantial

You haven't offered anything substantial at all. Battling Nelson already beat it out of you that PEDs....enhance performance. Because it's common sense. Matter of fact, take the word of an experienced drug cheat, Tommy Morrison:

Like I said, it just makes you bigger, faster, and stronger. It helps with your endurance also, your recovery time between rounds. You recover faster when you have that stuff in your system. The flip side of that is that if you go over your boundaries, push yourself beyond your limit, you'll never recover. That's why it's important that while you do it, you have to train, you have to work out.

8) if sports regulate the stuff, there wont be a need to ''cheat''. derrrrrrrrrrrr...........
and if someone is so desperate that they go outside of the sport, they get perma banned. AS IVE CONSISTENTLY SUGGESTED. problem easily resolved.

Holy contradiction. No need to cheat....but someone will be so desperate to go outside of the sport.....to cheat?????? And get a lifetime ban.

You're really dumb. Seriously.

9) and your kind arent even willing to investigate. BUT I WILL.....(some links will have *'s . i will try and fix them). true, not concrete evidence.....but lets use your key words ''might, if, could, possible....''

http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2014...-steroids.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/art...ds-battle.html

http://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=2782741

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=593564

https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comm...eater_amongst/

https://nypost.com/2007/03/02/report...-buy-steroids/

on and fncking on

now if you search ''evan fields''


you WILL NOT get any roid info NOT connected with lovable evanders name attached !

your kind wont click on anything that WILL DESTROY your holier than thou stance. if your kind had ANY credibility OTHER THAN NUMBERS, youd do some impartial/unbiased investigating.. DONT MAKE ME LAUGH

How many times are you going to mention Evander Holyfield and pretend that this means anything? I don't see a point and have never seen a point to your Evander Holyfield bs that you claim makes such a big difference in this discussion. Question: would he be a shoo in to the hall of fame if it is confirmed that he abused PEDs his entire career. I don't see Marion Jones in the national track and field hall of fame. Do you? Still waiting on Barry Bonds. Don't you think he would have been in already without the PED accusation, hmmmmmm????

10) hows that debate of yours coming or are you too shook

The debate went just fine. I already told you.

Benefits: Lazy people and cheats get to do better than they would naturally do.

Con: Integrity of the sport is ****ed up. Dangerous to the boxer. Dangerous to the opponent.

I can stop there. Pretty sure the Con outweighs the pro.

Here's what you should do, since I'm tired of discussing this with a certified moron.

Make a poll thread. Let's see how many people actually agree with you. And don't give me that you have to go with the crowd bullshlt or whatever. I'd love to see who thinks you actually have a point. There is so much idiocy in what you are saying, and that's why you've been bashed relentlessly by nearly every person that has posted here. I've never seen someone make a thread and literally nearly every person bashes him.

Make a poll thread, Elroy. Boxing is judged by a committee of 3. Let's see what NSB thinks of this. Maybe then you'll realize how ****** you are.

I'm done with this. Just want to see your poll. Let's see if you step up and do it .

[Elroy The Great]

You're saying that PEDs should be legalized and regulated...yet you're saying when someone goes beyond what the commission regulates, they should be banned. So in your regulated PED world......people should receive sanctions.....for cheating with PED's????????????????

You ****ing dope.




Why cry if you find out a guy had plaster in his gloves afterward if it was believed he went into the ring naturally? More ******ity from you.



Luis Resto would have loved if everyone were as ****** as you.



Cheating is only cheating if the cheater wins? More ******ity.



It's not about them winning the fight. It's about their performance being enhanced. YOU can't prove that a boxers who is a confirmed roider and won a fight didn't win due to taking the roids, and that's the whole point. Eliminate that possiblity altogether and have the boxers fight off their natural ability instead of wondering if it was because of roids, numbskull.




The nature of the sport is the natural efforts of one man to overcome another through hard work, skill, and strategy, dumbass. It's not about who had a better chemist that allowed them to take short cuts, artificially increase stamina, increase recovery, artificially gain strength, etc. And you still fail to recognize that there are en****** put in place to prevent death in boxing, Dumbass. It's the referees jobs to protect the fighter from death or major injury.



It depends on what is being taken, dumbass. It could be for stamina. It could be for recovery to put in more work, which can increase strength. It could be for cutting weight. Read a fcking book.



Some fights might not have even happened if the guys didn't use drugs to cut weight. Eric Morales failed to make weight for Garcia. He gets busted with clenbuterol for the rematch, but he made weight didn't he? Know one of clenbuterol's uses? Cutting weight. Surprise surprise. It's quite possible that because of clenbuterol, he made himself "fit enough" for the show to go on and get his ass kicked instead of being found to be unfit to fight. That's a good case of a PED being a detriment to the user.

And again, your argument that a person shouldn't be punished because you can't prove that the PED was the direct cause of the outcome of the fight is beyond ******ed. You want to eliminate the chance of that completely. If I ask you to prove that a roided winner did not benefit from PED's, can you do it? No. So shut the fck up. If I ask you to prove that PEDs didn't play a part in a losing boxer lasting longer in a match or performing better than when natural, can you do it? No. So shut the fkkc up.



Obviously. That's why there is drug testing you moron. Your problem is you believe taking PEDs has to show a direct link to winning to fit your ******ed agenda. Having an unfair advantage doesn't always guarantee a win. Boxers with a weight advantage don't always win, but there are weight classes for a ****ing reason. Boxers who abuse PEDs don't always win, but they are prohibited for a clear reason. Because the sport is to be engaged in based on the natural ability of the athletes. If you can't understand that, find a new ****ing sport. Watch pro wresting instead. By the way, why do you think a lot of those guys are able to perform so frequently?



You haven't offered anything substantial at all. Battling Nelson already beat it out of you that PEDs....enhance performance. Because it's common sense. Matter of fact, take the word of an experienced drug cheat, Tommy Morrison:





Holy contradiction. No need to cheat....but someone will be so desperate to go outside of the sport.....to cheat?????? And get a lifetime ban.

You're really dumb. Seriously.




How many times are you going to mention Evander Holyfield and pretend that this means anything? I don't see a point and have never seen a point to your Evander Holyfield bs that you claim makes such a big difference in this discussion. Question: would he be a shoo in to the hall of fame if it is confirmed that he abused PEDs his entire career. I don't see Marion Jones in the national track and field hall of fame. Do you? Still waiting on Barry Bonds. Don't you think he would have been in already without the PED accusation, hmmmmmm????



The debate went just fine. I already told you.

Benefits: Lazy people and cheats get to do better than they would naturally do.

Con: Integrity of the sport is ****ed up. Dangerous to the boxer. Dangerous to the opponent.

I can stop there. Pretty sure the Con outweighs the pro.

Here's what you should do, since I'm tired of discussing this with a certified moron.

Make a poll thread. Let's see how many people actually agree with you. And don't give me that you have to go with the crowd bullshlt or whatever. I'd love to see who thinks you actually have a point. There is so much idiocy in what you are saying, and that's why you've been bashed relentlessly by nearly every person that has posted here. I've never seen someone make a thread and literally nearly every person bashes him.

Make a poll thread, Elroy. Boxing is judged by a committee of 3. Let's see what NSB thinks of this. Maybe then you'll realize how ****** you are.

I'm done with this. Just want to see your poll. Let's see if you step up and do it .

you should limit yourself to may threads. outside of that, youre pretty much a lower form of plankton

(no offense )

''even though its not proven, roids and the like be bad.....roiders win and lose and very rarely ever damage anyone significantly.....makes sense to ban them (if youre a ******ed fnck).''

[Elroy The Great]

regulate

reg·u·late
ˈreɡyəˌlāt/
verb

control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.

[travestyny]

you should limit yourself to may threads. outside of that, youre pretty much a lower form of plankton

(no offense )

''even though its not proven, roids and the like be bad.....roiders win and lose and very rarely ever damage anyone significantly.....makes sense to ban them (if youre a ******ed fnck).''

Riiight. Just duck everything I said and duck everything that everyone else in here has told you. You are a waste of bone marrow.