If Youre A Pro Boxer....

[Real King Kong]

sigh................

ONCE AGAIN

because....
a) they dont do what the witch hunters claim they do
b) theyre not harmful to 99.99999 % of ALL ATHLETES who use them ACCORDINGLY (if youre going to use a boxers health for a reason to ban them ) if you ABUSE ANYTHING, you could die
c) IF a boxer thinks they will help him, wheres the harm . everything a boxer does is in the effort to mke them ''better''. so, wgaf if, in that guys MIND, he feels adding supplement B will help him, LETS SEE IF ITS TRUE.


now, you tell me why they should be banned
(knowing what you know that CAN BE PROVEN)

There a numerous scientific studies detailing the effects of peds that are just as "valid" and "unbiased" as the one you found to support your position... so do I just need to post a link to one and then challenge you to prove why they shouldn't be banned while ignoring everything you say? I mean if you're trying to say the commissions should change their whole stance on peds, shouldn't the burden be on you to prove they don't do anything?

[travestyny]

heres the thing....the sport is willing to punish a guy from INCONCLUSIVE SHlT.

get it together, THEN make LEARNED DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS!!!

ROIDS ARENT THE VARIABLE, DOE (unless you can QUANTIFY that statement )

but, nah. right

let me ask you, did you set a quickest time record with that so called debate ?!?!?

i doubt youre able to be unbiased in the privacy of ''your own'' mind

You’re asking me to debate myself. How ****** can you be.

Debates usually have a judge. Why don’t you make a poll and see if anyone agrees with your idiotic statements. For some reason you keep backing down from that. Hmmmm.

And roids are the variable you dope. You are saying roids might not be the reason they win. So the way to settle that is to have two versions of the same athlete with everything the same but one roided. That I had to explain that simple concept to you tells me the reason you’ve been bashed for over 30 pages by a variety of posters.

[Elroy The Great]

There a numerous scientific studies detailing the effects of peds that are just as "valid" and "unbiased" as the one you found to support your position... so do I just need to post a link to one and then challenge you to prove why they shouldn't be banned while ignoring everything you say? I mean if you're trying to say the commissions should change their whole stance on peds, shouldn't the burden be on you to prove they don't do anything?

all i need is proof or roids winning a guy a fight.

got that proof or not

all i need is proof that, IF roids are taken responsibly, they ALONE will not result in death.

by this i mean, a 100000% healthy and uninjured ATHLETE uses roids ACCORDINGLY and THEN dropped dead.

no hits to the body
no genetic deficiencies
no faulty roids or needles

good roids + 100000 % healthy athlete ='s INSTANT DEATH

give me that link

witch hunters dont like doing detailed roid pro/cons

[Real King Kong]

all i need is proof or roids winning a guy a fight.

got that proof or not

all i need is proof that, IF roids are taken responsibly, they ALONE will not result in death.

by this i mean, a 100000% healthy and uninjured ATHLETE uses roids ACCORDINGLY and THEN dropped dead.

no hits to the body
no genetic deficiencies
no faulty roids or needles

good roids + 100000 % healthy athlete ='s INSTANT DEATH

give me that link

witch hunters dont like doing detailed roid pro/cons

All I need is 10000000% proof that all fighters in the history of the sport who passed tests or weren't tested at all, and won their fights weren't on any kind of ped. Also, definitive proof that the types of testing used by commissions, now and historically, actually catch all banned substances. When you get a detailed list of who was actually on what, then we can start talking about what effects they may or may not have.

[Elroy The Great]

You’re asking me to debate myself. How ****** can you be.

Debates usually have a judge. Why don’t you make a poll and see if anyone agrees with your idiotic statements. For some reason you keep backing down from that. Hmmmm.

And roids are the variable you dope. You are saying roids might not be the reason they win. So the way to settle that is to have two versions of the same athlete with everything the same but one roided. That I had to explain that simple concept to you tells me the reason you’ve been bashed for over 30 pages by a variety of posters.

have an HONEST and UNBIASED conversation with yourself regarding roids, here.


...........the uninformed mob

if science can prove, beyond ALL DOUBT substance A-Z guarantees a win, OR, a 10000 % consistent outcome that, without that substance, that outcome could NEVER BE DUPLICATED.

sorry, i dont like half assed conclusions. thats a witch hunters trait.

it aint hard

[Elroy The Great]

All I need is 10000000% proof that all fighters in the history of the sport who passed tests or weren't tested at all, and won their fights weren't on any kind of ped. Also, definitive proof that the types of testing used by commissions, now and historically, actually catch all banned substances. When you get a detailed list of who was actually on what, then we can start talking about what effects they may or may not have.

im all about FAILED TESTS

that is what holds a witch hunters heart together, yes ?

[Elroy The Great]

ok.....

i hope weve all gotten the 5 year old in us out.

its proven that having our ideals put to the test can be an emotional situation.

so lets exhale and not take this thread personally.

lets not rely on popularity contests to prove a point
lets not settle on incomplete test findings and theories
lets cut out excuses and innuendos
lets be as unbiased and honest when making decisions
let ABSOLUTE FACTS DICTATE the rules
even if doing all of the above prove us wrong

boxing fans deserve no less than absolute facts !

im willing to be proven absolutely wrong for the sake of making boxing a better sport

[travestyny]

heres the thing....the sport is willing to punish a guy from INCONCLUSIVE SHlT.

No, fool. You are banned if you fail a drug test. How is that inconclusive?

get it together, THEN make LEARNED DECISIONS BASED ON FACTS!!!

Here's 2 studies mentioned. Have at it.

Amounts of testosterone above those normally found in the human body have been shown to increase muscle strength and mass. For example, a representative randomized, double-blind study involved 43 men being randomized to four different groups: testosterone enanthate 600 mg once per week with strength training exercise; placebo with strength training exercise; testosterone enanthate 600 mg once per week with no exercise; and placebo with no exercise. This was a critical study in demonstrating that administration of testosterone increased muscle strength and fat-free mass in all recipients, and even moreso in those who exercised.27 A second study from the same investigators 5 years later further demonstrated a dose–response relationship between testosterone and strength.28 Another double-blind trial of exogenous testosterone involved 61 males randomized to five different doses of testosterone enanthate, ranging from 25 mg to 600 mg, along with treatment with a gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist to suppress endogenous testosterone secretion. That study demonstrated findings similar to the previous one, in showing a dose-dependent increase in leg power and leg press strength, which correlated with serum total testosterone concentrations.29

have an HONEST and UNBIASED conversation with yourself regarding roids, here.

Keep asking me the same thing over and over until what? I agree with you. I don't. I've told you what I think the benefits are and the reasons against it. Just because you don't like what you've read is on you.

if science can prove, beyond ALL DOUBT substance A-Z guarantees a win, OR,

How ****** do you have to be to keep saying this. It's not about a guaranteed win. For fuvcks sake, I've explained this a million times to you and you still can't understand it. Marion Jones was a confirmed cheater at the 2000 olympics, but she still only got a bronze in the long jump. How about you "scientifically prove" that she would have done the same if she didn't take the PEDs.

Your conclusion from that is not that it helped her win Bronze, but that it didn't help because she came in 3rd???

a 10000 % consistent outcome that, without that substance, that outcome could NEVER BE DUPLICATED.

Another dumb statement. It's not about whether it CAN be done without it. It's about that it WASN'T done without it.



Keep ducking the stories that people tell you about how much improvement they made because of doping.

So, by the time I was ready to start the experiment, I was fitter than I'd ever been - so I would know that any marked improvements in my performance would most likely not be natural.

After my three weeks at baseline, I had to undergo a performance test, called a VO2 max test, which measures fitness by calculating maximum oxygen uptake. This involved riding a static bike and gradually increasing the resistance, measured in watts, until I could pedal no more.

I managed about 10-and-a-half minutes and a power output of 350 watts. I was almost sick.

Now that I had posted a "clean" performance marker, it was time to enter the loading phase.

By week eight, the changes were obvious. I was climbing big hills four hours into a ride as if they were not there.

By week 10, I was fairly confident the drugs had given my training a hefty kick but I went back to the lab for another VO2 max test to make sure.

I flew past my previous mark and hung on for more than 12 minutes and 375 watts. This gave me a score of 63, a 7% increase in seven weeks. When you consider that even half a percentage point can make the difference in elite sport, that is a huge bump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932

I see why everyone has given up on you. I also see why you are too shook to make a poll about this.

[Elroy The Great]

No, fool. You are banned if you fail a drug test. How is that inconclusive?



Here's 2 studies mentioned. Have at it.





Keep asking me the same thing over and over until what? I agree with you. I don't. I've told you what I think the benefits are and the reasons against it. Just because you don't like what you've read is on you.



How ****** do you have to be to keep saying this. It's not about a guaranteed win. For fuvcks sake, I've explained this a million times to you and you still can't understand it. Marion Jones was a confirmed cheater at the 2000 olympics, but she still only got a bronze in the long jump. How about you "scientifically prove" that she would have done the same if she didn't take the PEDs.

Your conclusion from that is not that it helped her win Bronze, but that it didn't help because she came in 3rd???



Another dumb statement. It's not about whether it CAN be done without it. It's about that it WASN'T done without it.



Keep ducking the stories that people tell you about how much improvement they made because of doping.




I see why everyone has given up on you. I also see why you are too shook to make a poll about this.

i must start at the end with this drivel

''My goal was not to win a medal or make a team but to test the effectiveness of the athletes' biological passport - the latest tool in the global fight against drugs in sport.''

jfc..................


...........sheeple
you can have them

you dont see me trying to rally anyone. i dont need nor want anyone to prop me up.

remember, im replying from last to 1st... try not to get lost

everything a boxer/athlete does HOPEFULLY improves them. why does it matter how that is accomplished IN TRAINING CAMP

its not as if theres some miracle drug that can be taken DURING a fight to turn the tide of a fight. IF thats what you kind is crying about, make room for me.

are we doing selective testing ?!?!? what about the plethora of fights where the roider LOST ?!?!?!? WHAT CONCLUSION DO YOU COME TO WITH THOSE FIGHTS ?!?!?!?!

thats why i LOGICALLY SAY collect ALL SCIENTIFIC ABSOLUTES AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS. youre stuck with shlt being done half assed at best,

at least youre being honest about you not being capable of having an honest roid convo with yourself. kudos

so now its a muscle mass issue ?!?!?!?
dorsnt mention anything being achieved once those ''advantages'' were reached. just that dude was able to get a certain body type. now, lets see the results of that roid work

get that coin out

and finally, let me know when boxing can isolate the drug/s that CONSISTENTLY WINS A GUY A FIGHT.

its THOSE DRUGS that need to be banned.

[travestyny]

i must start at the end with this drivel

''My goal was not to win a medal or make a team but to test the effectiveness of the athletes' biological passport - the latest tool in the global fight against drugs in sport.''

jfc..................

YOu are clearly ducking the part about how his performance was improved

Also ducked the other two studies didn't you? I wonder why

you dont see me trying to rally anyone. i dont need nor want anyone to prop me up.

I see a bunch of people calling you some variant of the word moron.

remember, im replying from last to 1st... try not to get lost

You're dumb as bricks. And I mean that sincerely. Don't ever accuse someone of getting lost when you can't find your way out of a revolving door.

everything a boxer/athlete does HOPEFULLY improves them. why does it matter how that is accomplished IN TRAINING CAMP

LMAO. Oh, I don't know. Maybe because the results of their cheating would carry over into fight night.

its not as if theres some miracle drug that can be taken DURING a fight to turn the tide of a fight. IF thats what you kind is crying about, make room for me.

Now you're shifting to them taking something during the fight???? Desperation.

are we doing selective testing ?!?!? what about the plethora of fights where the roider LOST ?!?!?!? WHAT CONCLUSION DO YOU COME TO WITH THOSE FIGHTS ?!?!?!?!

Can you read? Their performance is enhanced. They do better than they would have if they had not taken the drugs. It doesn't mean they automatically win you imbecile. I'm really tired of repeating myself. I hope you're trolling. You can't be this dumb really, can you?

thats why i LOGICALLY SAY collect ALL SCIENTIFIC ABSOLUTES AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS. youre stuck with shlt being done half assed at best,

I've asked you the same question multiple times and you won't go near it. Show scientific proof that a roider received no enhancement from using the PED. Can you do it? Yes or no? But I have shown studies that showed roiders performing better than they would have without roiding. You conveniently ducked that.

at least youre being honest about you not being capable of having an honest roid convo with yourself. kudos

At least you're being honest of being too shook to make a poll. This is the one thread where I've seen just about everyone come together to bash you. You should have posted this shlt at the height of the flow mo/ pac tard beef.

so now its a muscle mass issue ?!?!?!?
dorsnt mention anything being achieved once those ''advantages'' were reached. just that dude was able to get a certain body type. now, lets see the results of that roid work

Go read it again you dope.

This was a critical study in demonstrating that administration of testosterone increased muscle strength and fat-free mass in all recipients, and even moreso in those who exercised.

Increasing muscle strength is simply about getting a certain body type? You failed.

and finally, let me know when boxing can isolate the drug/s that CONSISTENTLY WINS A GUY A FIGHT.

its THOSE DRUGS that need to be banned.

Simply put...you're a moron. You refuse to acknowledge that consistently winning is not the point because it leaves you with absolutely nothing If ONE guy wins a fight because of PED's, thats an injustice. The only way to make sure this doesn't happen is to ban PEDs. You're too dumb to figure that out.