can we start calling AJ anthony chickenson yet?

[Curt Henning]

I didn't think much of Ortiz and when you throw in that he is old (perhaps older than advertised) and that the times I felt he was fairly impressive was perhaps due to PED's and then thrown in with his ring rust it was logical to see how it would be a blowout. I was surprised just how poor Wilder looked until Ortiz gassed. He was being dominated by a guy who was never good enough to win a title in one of the worst era's in the divisions history. I think how inept Wilder looked for the most of that fight explains why he and his team openly ducked Klitshcko.

im trying to figure out how many previous title shots ortiz had? what was that number

"by a guy who was never good enough to win a title in one of the worst eras in the divisions history"-im assuming you are talking about ortiz here right?

when did he come up short in those previous title quests?

[chrisJS]

lol@you desperately trying to paint me as a liar also...very laughable...you tried to change those terms in later posts...dont act like you didnt

LOL@"i think wilder sucks...but i also picked him to beat ortiz 12-0"

thats the funniest thing ive heard all year

You lied straight up. You tried to change the terms and have the bet null if they fight each other next. Did you not do that?

[Curt Henning]

You lied straight up. You tried to change the terms and have the bet null if they fight each other next. Did you not do that?

"he was being dominated by a guy who couldnt win a belt in one of the weakest eras in the divisions history"

how many previous title shots did ortiz swing and miss on?

[chrisJS]

im trying to figure out how many previous title shots ortiz had? what was that number

"by a guy who was never good enough to win a title in one of the worst eras in the divisions history"-im assuming you are talking about ortiz here right?

when did he come up short in those previous title quests?

He was 38 and couldn't force his way into a title shot. Usually if a fighter is so great he forces himself into a position to get a title shot. Ortiz didn't.

[Curt Henning]

You lied straight up. You tried to change the terms and have the bet null if they fight each other next. Did you not do that?

quit with the BS man...im done with you...you are a straight up clown

of course i did...i admitted it previously...it was fair since neither of us thought it was going to be next..i said it wasnt going to be and you said the same...which is why it was fair to void if its next

"i think wilder sucks but i had him to beat ortiz 12-0" lol

"wilder was being dominated by a guy who couldnt win a belt in the weakest era in the divisions history"

keep twisting and contorting you peon

[Curt Henning]

He was 38 and couldn't force his way into a title shot. Usually if a fighter is so great he forces himself into a position to get a title shot. Ortiz didn't.

i guess the perpetuation that ortiz was avoided is just a myth huh?

he was probably avoided because hes sooo bad....like below wilder who is complete trash bad huh? lol

[Curt Henning]

chris...imma sit here and wait...for you to show me the thread where you predicted wilder 12-0 or a ko in 3-4 rounds

im being honest here...i want it to exist...cause i dont wanna believe you can be this much of a clown....i want to eat crow here...seriously

[chrisJS]

lololol....great hedge...."wilder really blows but in case he does win i think ortiz is really trash...subtrash"

hey man...show me where you predicted this....please...i want to eat crow

also....pick a neutral poster/moderator that we can agree on...im willing to throw at least a note that AJ/wilder dont happen next...in paypal escrow....ill go much higher actually if you want....but i figured thats a good starting point....or am i "unrealistic"?

My prediction was in a thread I believe started by you before the fight asking how do you rate Ortiz 1-5 and I said 2.5 and stated my prediction in there. I don't know how to check my post history beyond 8 pages.

[uppercut510]

I didn't think much of Ortiz and when you throw in that he is old (perhaps older than advertised) and that the times I felt he was fairly impressive was perhaps due to PED's and then thrown in with his ring rust it was logical to see how it would be a blowout. I was surprised just how poor Wilder looked until Ortiz gassed. He was being dominated by a guy who was never good enough to win a title in one of the worst era's in the divisions history. I think how inept Wilder looked for the most of that fight explains why he and his team openly ducked Klitshcko.

so u don't realize an ortho fighting a good southpaw will take time before he can figure him out? Ortiz wasn't dominating wilder he was winning but hes a good fighter, wilder was looking for his range, its harder to establish a jab as an ortho vs a good southpaw and wilder isn't this highly skilled fighter so it took him a little time to figure out how to attack. its amazing u guys are supposed to be boxing fans and cant fathom the simple basics of a fight without hating... gee wiz. why are you all bringing up age but parade joshuas win over an even older klitz who lost to and struggled with lesser fighters than Ortiz???

[chrisJS]

lol@you desperately trying to paint me as a liar also...very laughable...you tried to change those terms in later posts...dont act like you didnt

LOL@"i think wilder sucks...but i also picked him to beat ortiz 12-0"

thats the funniest thing ive heard all year

I'm not trying to paint you as a liar I am saying you are a liar. This is what you said in response to my challenge that it will be signed by the years end -


but ok...im game.....heres the deal...if they sign the fight next then the deal is off....because hearn and everyone will have hoodwinked us....if they sign another fight after parker and don't sign for wilder by the end of the year it is valid? deal?

So, was that not you trying to change the deal? Can you at least admit that much?