Rid**** Bowe vs Deontay Wilder would've been interesting

[juggernaut666]

Yup! Deontay Wilder may possibly have the most ******ed fanbase in the history of boxing. Definitely seems like it's the case today.

Wilder is literally being given credit for things he hasn't even proven yet.

The main thing hes proven is he can win if hes behind in fights , thats not the best quality to have because thats not always going to be the case , assuming its not at the Barclays judging table . lol

[Cutthroat]

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And posters wonder why i made a thread of how the Wilder fanbase became the dumbest , which was shut down ?????????



"Lewis' defense was even worse than Wilder's, it only looked good because everyone around him like Bowe, Holyfield, had crap defense. "

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This ranks up there with the other winner from Wilder fanatic two King Hippo , telling me Stiverne has the best right hand in the division !

Only Lewis could get KO'd twice and not be known for having a bad defense or glass chin. He was getting hit a lot vs Billups, McCall Holyfield, Tua, even Mavrovic had his moments. He got hit a lot throughout his career.



Lewis getting pieced up by Mavrovic's combos in that round, backed up against the ropes by a 6'3 215lb fighter lmao. Wilder can't even get touched without being called a terrible defensive fighter, but the same doesn't apply to Lewis. That right hand at :12 secs in also looked like it buckled Lewis' legs for a second, yeah good luck eating a Wilder right hand.

[E-Thug]

Man, Bowe was slow? You mfers watching the Golata fights on repeat? Gonwatchbhom against Pierre Cotzee and the first Holyfield fight. That Bowe annihilates any version of Wilder. Ortiz is a very good fighter and was arguably on his way to a decision win before he got stopped. Rid**** Bowe in proper shape is levels above Luis Ortiz and would either KO Wilder fairly early or bust him the fck up on the inside.

Look I get it Wilder is fun to watch but all he has is power. That's not going to carry him to all time great status.

People are ******ed nowadays Sun that's the problem. It's the new age Joe Rogan/Brendan Schuab/15 year old fans who defend **** like Ortiz, Joshua and Wilder. Don't forget these kids are the same kids who were saying Prime Ward beats Prime Roy.

I made a thread on it once after Ward V Kovalev 1 and you responded saying no chance in hell do either beat Prime Roy and it's true. You're just seeing that here again. ****ing Joshua, so stiff and robotic being posed as a competitive threat. Bum Squad, who has 2 top 10 opponents in 40 ****ing fights being touted as a threat.

Yup! Deontay Wilder may possibly have the most ******ed fanbase in the history of boxing. Definitely seems like it's the case today.

Wilder is literally being given credit for things he hasn't even proven yet.

The Luis Ortiz wanking session is hilarious. Ortiz is a ****ing bum, another Cuban who has failed to live up to the hype. His best win is Jennings ffs and we have people bigging up Ortiz as though he's something special He ****ing sucks, a straight basic up and down fighter. Spams the straight left, plods forward, upright, stiff as all hel

All this talk about super heavies LMAO **** me. We have people defending Anthony 'Cardio King' Joshua, Deontay 'Footwork of Lomachenko' Wilder and Luis 'Bum' Ortiz.

[JakeTheBoxer]

In "golden 90s" 45 old Foreman, fat version, had a close fight with prime Holyfield, lineal champ.

90s is the most overrated era ever. Foreman is all time great, no doubt about that, but 90s were just not that good.

[Mindgames]

Billups was already stopped 3x and had had lost 2 to mostly journeymen. If you actually watched the fight Billups was NOT in survival mode, at points he was even backing Lewis into the ropes. Billups was eating clean punches on the chin same with a guy like Mavrovic who is barely 6'3 215lbs! Even Szpilka is 230lbs.

Steward specifically said Wlad hit harder than Lewis and I believe it, especially with that stoppage over Mercer who was old but not a shot fighter.

Golota, Mavrovic, Lewis, Bowe etc. these guys looked MASSIVE vs their opponents because everyone around them was so small. A guy like Whyte is literally the same size as Golota but I bet you don't even realize it because he looks so small next to all his opponents.

Lewis' defense was even worse than Wilder's, it only looked good because everyone around him like Bowe, Holyfield, had crap defense.

I really gotta post a clip of Lewis getting backed into the ropes and eating little 6'3 215lb Mavrovic's punches?

And before you call Szpilka fat lol, dude was in better shape than 90% of Lewis' opponents. Wilder's opponents would look like monsters fighting in the 90's.

Marvovic was a good European champion, very fit and better than probably all of Wilders opponents. You know the fact that he was light doesn't detract at all, since Deontay himself was lighter than Marvovic and according to you is a great heavyweight. If Wlad truly is such a great puncher, then Joshua must have a iron chin to take all that punishment from him and then stop him late. Deontay has a much worse defence than the 90s heavies, he gets wobbled by men like Molina, who couldnt even touch Joshua. He also gets worked over by men who have a serious illness, are past their best, but luckily have no title fights or cardio. It's sad really. The man who took Deontay 12,when he was in condition, got stopped by a journeyman who didn't have one top 20 win. The man who last floored Deontay, an Olympic medalist, in hes 13th fight, the same stage in he's career that Holyfield was beating world class fighters, that guy Sconiers, never beat or floored any other top 20 fighter. Men like Tubbs, before he took too many drugs held world titles and fought guys like Witherspoon. Sconiers, Stiverne, fat guys who had no skills stopped by nobodies didn't even have good days against in shape fighters. As for Spilka and Ortiz, never held world titles or mixed at world level, never fought punchers and had weak chins to be knocked out by men weighing as little as Deontay does. Than again, I'm abit harsh on Ortiz, he was shot as we saw against Malik Scott, he had no stamina or punch output, had lost he's reflexes by then, very sick man.

[Dr Rumack]

Wilder's power makes him a threat against anyone, but yeah he's not going to beat Bowe. The skills gap is enormous.

[Cutthroat]

Marvovic was a good European champion, very fit and better than probably all of Wilders opponents. You know the fact that he was light doesn't detract at all, since Deontay himself was lighter than Marvovic and according to you is a great heavyweight. If Wlad truly is such a great puncher, then Joshua must have a iron chin to take all that punishment from him and then stop him late. Deontay has a much worse defence than the 90s heavies, he gets wobbled by men like Molina, who couldnt even touch Joshua. He also gets worked over by men who have a serious illness, are past their best, but luckily have no title fights or cardio. It's sad really. The man who took Deontay 12,when he was in condition, got stopped by a journeyman who didn't have one top 20 win. The man who last floored Deontay, an Olympic medalist, in hes 13th fight, the same stage in he's career that Holyfield was beating world class fighters, that guy Sconiers, never beat or floored any other top 20 fighter. Men like Tubbs, before he took too many drugs held world titles and fought guys like Witherspoon. Sconiers, Stiverne, fat guys who had no skills stopped by nobodies didn't even have good days against in shape fighters. As for Spilka and Ortiz, never held world titles or mixed at world level, never fought punchers and had weak chins to be knocked out by men weighing as little as Deontay does. Than again, I'm abit harsh on Ortiz, he was shot as we saw against Malik Scott, he had no stamina or punch output, had lost he's reflexes by then, very sick man.

Mavrovic is literally smaller than every single modern top 30 HW. Wilder weighed 215 SICK, and to even try to compare them exposes how clueless you are. Wilder's athleticism, speed, power, strength, even his height are all on another level.

Next to 230lb Szpilka who is MUCH bigger than Mavrovic.


Mavrovic would look like a child next to Wilder. Wilder manhandles 240lb guys with ease for a reason, he's a tank.

Mavrovic didn't beat anyone in the 90's but somehow he could do things Wilder can't, he's special because he fought in the 90's. His power was enough to hurt Lewis, his chin was enough to eat repeated flush punches, etc. but Wilder can't.

There was a point during the Billups fight where Lampley said "Lewis has landed 12 consecutive left hands on Billups' chin, you'd think with his power he'd have gone down by now" LOL

Billups went the distance. Lewis' power was exposed that fight as it had been throughout his career, he didn't hit as hard as Wilder, Wlad, or AJ. Even Sanders managed to hurt Vitali significantly faster and with less punches.

You live in a fantasy world where Mavrovic, McCall, Bruno, Douglas, Billups, Tubbs, etc. could do things that modern champions like Wilder, Ortiz, AJ, Fury could not.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Željko Mavrović would be a small hw nowadays. And I don`t think he was as strong as Whyte, Chisora and so on.

[JakeTheBoxer]

And, nevertheless, Bowe never fought Lewis, while they were both champs. There were money issues..lets hope Wilder and AJ won`t have the same situation.

[Mindgames]

Mavrovic is literally smaller than every single modern top 30 HW. Wilder weighed 215 SICK, and to even try to compare them exposes how clueless you are. Wilder's athleticism, speed, power, strength, even his height are all on another level.

Next to 230lb Szpilka who is MUCH bigger than Mavrovic.


Mavrovic would look like a child next to Wilder. Wilder manhandles 240lb guys with ease for a reason, he's a tank.

Mavrovic didn't beat anyone in the 90's but somehow he could do things Wilder can't, he's special because he fought in the 90's. His power was enough to hurt Lewis, his chin was enough to eat repeated flush punches, etc. but Wilder can't.

There was a point during the Billups fight where Lampley said "Lewis has landed 12 consecutive left hands on Billups' chin, you'd think with his power he'd have gone down by now" LOL

Billups went the distance. Lewis' power was exposed that fight as it had been throughout his career, he didn't hit as hard as Wilder, Wlad, or AJ. Even Sanders managed to hurt Vitali significantly faster and with less punches.

You live in a fantasy world where Mavrovic, McCall, Bruno, Douglas, Billups, Tubbs, etc. could do things that modern champions like Wilder, Ortiz, AJ, Fury could not.

You live in a world where you don't think we're all aware of your other account and that your simply trolling. All this talk of Billups chin and Lewis power, but anyone whos actually boxed knows styles make fights, not all punches landed are power punches, moving targets, shorter men showing the top of the head and risking hand breakages all factor in, as does varying shapes that people enter the ring in, ie some fights you might get 10 week camp and some you get two weeks injuries ect. All your simple brain can handle is power, chin, size and muscles, you don't seem to even be aware of stage of career. You talk about guys you don't like and their performances when shot and old and then compare them to the guys you do like in their best performance. Then when flaws of the guys you like are pointed out you talk about it being a stage of their career where they were inexperienced. You bring up amatuer careers, guys holding pads, guys weights ect, all utter irrelevancys and think we don't know your having a giggle writing it all thinking we ain't all laughing at you. You just mentioned Ortiz yet again and called him a champion, yet he's not a champion, but you can't address the fact that he was past prime and actually ill when Wilder beat him. The sad fact is Wilders best opponents were either stopped by a journeyman or actually suffering from a serious illness that sometimes ends in heart failure. But then a real boxing discussion isn't really what it's all about, I guess loneliness makes people do and say all sorts lol.