Rid**** Bowe vs Deontay Wilder would've been interesting

[DreamFighter]

Mavrovic is literally smaller than every single modern top 30 HW. Wilder weighed 215 SICK, and to even try to compare them exposes how clueless you are. Wilder's athleticism, speed, power, strength, even his height are all on another level.

Next to 230lb Szpilka who is MUCH bigger than Mavrovic.


Mavrovic would look like a child next to Wilder. Wilder manhandles 240lb guys with ease for a reason, he's a tank.

Mavrovic didn't beat anyone in the 90's but somehow he could do things Wilder can't, he's special because he fought in the 90's. His power was enough to hurt Lewis, his chin was enough to eat repeated flush punches, etc. but Wilder can't.

There was a point during the Billups fight where Lampley said "Lewis has landed 12 consecutive left hands on Billups' chin, you'd think with his power he'd have gone down by now" LOL

Billups went the distance. Lewis' power was exposed that fight as it had been throughout his career, he didn't hit as hard as Wilder, Wlad, or AJ. Even Sanders managed to hurt Vitali significantly faster and with less punches.

You live in a fantasy world where Mavrovic, McCall, Bruno, Douglas, Billups, Tubbs, etc. could do things that modern champions like Wilder, Ortiz, AJ, Fury could not.

What a clueless post

[DreamFighter]

Bowe destroys Wilder

[DreamFighter]

In "golden 90s" 45 old Foreman, fat version, had a close fight with prime Holyfield, lineal champ.

90s is the most overrated era ever. Foreman is all time great, no doubt about that, but 90s were just not that good.

do you think any other 45 year old would do that with hoylfield?

obviously not, so your argument is wholly flawed.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Well, we obviously don`t know about Bowe. he fought Holyfield 3 times, but he didn`t fight Tyson, Lewis, Bruno.....It is hard to say how good he was because he didn`t fight many good guys from his era.

[Mr Objecitivity]

People are ******ed nowadays Sun that's the problem. It's the new age Joe Rogan/Brendan Schuab/15 year old fans who defend **** like Ortiz, Joshua and Wilder. Don't forget these kids are the same kids who were saying Prime Ward beats Prime Roy.

I made a thread on it once after Ward V Kovalev 1 and you responded saying no chance in hell do either beat Prime Roy and it's true. You're just seeing that here again. ****ing Joshua, so stiff and robotic being posed as a competitive threat. Bum Squad, who has 2 top 10 opponents in 40 ****ing fights being touted as a threat.



The Luis Ortiz wanking session is hilarious. Ortiz is a ****ing bum, another Cuban who has failed to live up to the hype. His best win is Jennings ffs and we have people bigging up Ortiz as though he's something special He ****ing sucks, a straight basic up and down fighter. Spams the straight left, plods forward, upright, stiff as all hel

All this talk about super heavies LMAO **** me. We have people defending Anthony 'Cardio King' Joshua, Deontay 'Footwork of Lomachenko' Wilder and Luis 'Bum' Ortiz.

Don't get me wrong! Luis Ortiz is definitely a very skilled boxer with rare attributes. However, he had already seen his best days by the time he fought Deontay Wilder with high blood pressure, and without being allowed to take his required medication / PED.

His best performance was against Bryant Jennings. But that was years ago. And he didn't prove he was anywhere near that level at the time of facing Wilder. Considering he was inactive for a year with only 2 rounds spent against a bum in Daniel Martz.

It's premature over-hyping of the current heavyweights by some. They need time to first prove themselves. And so far, only Anthony Joshua has shown the potential to be a great.

I obviously preferred the 1990's and even the Klitschko era though.

[Cutthroat]

You live in a world where you don't think we're all aware of your other account and that your simply trolling. All this talk of Billups chin and Lewis power, but anyone whos actually boxed knows styles make fights, not all punches landed are power punches, moving targets, shorter men showing the top of the head and risking hand breakages all factor in, as does varying shapes that people enter the ring in, ie some fights you might get 10 week camp and some you get two weeks injuries ect. All your simple brain can handle is power, chin, size and muscles, you don't seem to even be aware of stage of career. You talk about guys you don't like and their performances when shot and old and then compare them to the guys you do like in their best performance. Then when flaws of the guys you like are pointed out you talk about it being a stage of their career where they were inexperienced. You bring up amatuer careers, guys holding pads, guys weights ect, all utter irrelevancys and think we don't know your having a giggle writing it all thinking we ain't all laughing at you. You just mentioned Ortiz yet again and called him a champion, yet he's not a champion, but you can't address the fact that he was past prime and actually ill when Wilder beat him. The sad fact is Wilders best opponents were either stopped by a journeyman or actually suffering from a serious illness that sometimes ends in heart failure. But then a real boxing discussion isn't really what it's all about, I guess loneliness makes people do and say all sorts lol.

I don't have a single alt nor have I ever created one. If anyone is trolling it's you telling me journeymen from the 90's could do and achieve things champions of today can't.

Billups and many others were eating CLEAN combos on the chin, repeated blows from Lewis. Watch the damn fight, I know you haven't. So many excuses but so quick to criticize modern champions for any little flaw.

Lewis-KO vs McCall, doesn't count.
Lewis KO vs Rahman, doesn't count
Rocked by Mavrovic, Bruno, doesn't count
Mavrovic, Mercer, Billups, Bruno, Tua, Holyfield etc. eating flush punches, doesn't count, instead they've all got iron chins and Lewis' power hasn't been exposed. FOH. Wilder doesn't even land clean half the time and he still rocks guys with forehead shots.

Meanwhile Wilder gets momentarily rocked vs a 6'4, undefeated, 240lb KO artist, a southpaw champion for a mere 40 secs and it's "OMG EXPOSED HE's TERRIBLE LOLOLOL!"

90's fans be like:

[Cutthroat]

What a clueless post

Only clueless people can't debate.

Somehow Billups, Bruno, Mavrovic, 42 year old obese Foreman, Mitch Green, Jeff Wooden, Douglas, Tubbs, Smith, Witherspoon, Tucker, Tillis, Golota, Henry Cooper, Jimmy Young, Tony Galento, etc. etc. could all expose previous champions chins, power, skills, but Wilder, AJ, Fury, Ortiz can't. For some reason the past fighters were "special" and this era is garbage lmao.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Well, Wilder and AJ would clearly be the biggest guys Bowe ever faced. So big pro hw-s didn`t exist in 90s. If they did, they ******.

Vladimir Klitschko was olympic gold medalist. AJ is olympic gold medalist. Wilder is bronze medalist.

We simply live in era of giants in hw divison.

[DreamFighter]

Only clueless people can't debate.

at least you know your problem!

Somehow Billups, Bruno, Mavrovic, 42 year old obese Foreman, Mitch Green, Jeff Wooden, Douglas, Tubbs, Smith, Witherspoon, Tucker, Tillis, Golota, Henry Cooper, Jimmy Young, Tony Galento, etc. etc. could all expose previous champions chins, power, skills, but Wilder, AJ, Fury, Ortiz can't. For some reason the past fighters were "special" and this era is garbage lmao.

your era's argument is built on largely 40somethings who wouldnt have a cardio for the sport in more serious times, nice one.

[Mindgames]

I don't have a single alt nor have I ever created one. If anyone is trolling it's you telling me journeymen from the 90's could do and achieve things champions of today can't.

Billups and many others were eating CLEAN combos on the chin, repeated blows from Lewis. Watch the damn fight, I know you haven't. So many excuses but so quick to criticize modern champions for any little flaw.

Lewis-KO vs McCall, doesn't count.
Lewis KO vs Rahman, doesn't count
Rocked by Mavrovic, Bruno, doesn't count
Mavrovic, Mercer, Billups, Bruno, Tua, Holyfield etc. eating flush punches, doesn't count, instead they've all got iron chins and Lewis' power hasn't been exposed. FOH. Wilder doesn't even land clean half the time and he still rocks guys with forehead shots.

Meanwhile Wilder gets momentarily rocked vs a 6'4, undefeated, 240lb KO artist, a southpaw champion for a mere 40 secs and it's "OMG EXPOSED HE's TERRIBLE LOLOLOL!"

90's fans be like:

But Emanuel Steward said Lewis was a devastating puncher, and you put so much stock in what he says but then Lewis, who crushed Ruddock, floored a still decent Tucker, wobbled the durable Mccall, now he can't punch. Haha. Most of those guys you mentioned are fighters that mixed well in world class and we're good fighters. Wilders best win was a struggle against a man who was well past he's prime, who was so shot he couldn't even stop Malik Scott and had a serious illness, and he still got so hurt that the doctor had to delay the beginning of a round to see if he was ok. A Stiverne who had been stopped by a nobody took Wilder 12,a tubby nobody Molina, who couldn't even hit AJ, wobbles Wilder and takes him late. Unknown novices have led him on scorecards until their weak chins cracked, and guys who never floored a decent fighter put him down and he was saved by the bell. Plus, somehow your going on about Lewis when the thread was about Bowe. But you are good for a laugh, youre the talk of the site, well done 😉