If the half-life for Clenbuterol is 28 to 36 hours....

[McNulty]

According to canelo promoter who spoke last week they seem to know what it was and have proof or data to support it but can't speak on it until Nevada is done. But Nevada already knows that information.

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelos-promoter-gggs-trainer-always-barking-hes-worried--126221

"I'm 100% sure that this fight is going to take place. "We have sent data, all the information we have, everything, [to the Nevada State Athletic Commission]. In the end, when they finish the investigation we can talk and publicly and provide the details of the situation.

What happens, is people do not understand that a fighter is not on a diet all year, he is only on a diet when he is preparing for the fight. Between fights is when they eat their sweets, their chocolates, their cookies, if they drink, they drink. This is what is happening here, he was not in training, he was not in his camp and he did not take care of the diet."

- Eric Gomez, President for Golden Boy Promotions

I'm not responding to the Memo post, it's easily shot full of holes and actually has little to do with what I'm talking about.

The quote ^, still doesn't change the fact he had to have eaten the meat either:

1. 12 hours before the test or 2. he was eating the meat and pissing in the cup with an additional 12 hour window for the next day of testing.

What does it matter if fighters are eating sweets in the off season? I don't understand the direction of that thought. Are they saying he was eating tainted meat in his off season THE ENTIRE TIME, pissed hot then stopped? If he was eating tainted meat the whole time the amount would have been stronger and the half life would have been longer because he wouldn't have stopped until pissing hot then its 28-36 hours more which would have probably gotten a 3rd test dirty.

We still need to know how long it was between both tests.

[bigdunny1]

I'm not responding to the Memo post, it's easily shot full of holes and actually has little to do with what I'm talking about.

The quote ^, still doesn't change the fact he had to have eaten the meat either:

1. 12 hours before the test or 2. he was eating the meat and pissing in the cup with an additional 12 hour window for the next day of testing.

What does it matter if fighters are eating sweets in the off season? I don't understand the direction of that thought. Are they saying he was eating tainted meat in his off season THE ENTIRE TIME, pissed hot then stopped?

We still need to know how long it was between both tests.

No not true the NFL player who tested positive didn't eat 12 hours before his test. He went on a 1 week vacation to Mexico, returned to the US and days after his return still had the substance in his body when he was tested. But you know more then the experts like memo and WADA who all state his levels were consistent with meat contamination cases and none have said he would of had to eat the meat the same day he was tested. Memo specially detailed how and why his levels dropped from 0.6-0.8ng to 0.06-0.08ng days later. When he exactly he ate the contaminated meat we will find out when the details are released. But this can stay in your system for numerous days.

[GGG Gloveking]

I guess Clenelo should have had the filet instead of the porterhouse

[Beercules]

Sad day to be a Clenelo fan

PEDS
Questionable judging
Hand wraps are problematic
Makes up his own weight class


My Lord

[McNulty]

No not true the NFL player who tested positive didn't eat 12 hours before his test. He went on a 1 week vacation to Mexico, returned to the US and days after his return still had the substance in his body when he was tested. But you know more then the experts like memo and WADA who all state his levels were consistent with meat contamination cases and none have said he would of had to eat the meat the same day he was tested. Memo specially detailed how and why his levels dropped from 0.6-0.8ng to 0.06-0.08ng days later. When he ate the contaminated meat we will find out when the details are released. But this can stay in your system for numerous days.

Provide a source with the information you claim about the NFL player for me to even consider typing a response.

Also, if you listen to enough Conte, he provides proof that organizations like NFL and MLB aren't really trying to catch players. They don't meet their testing criterion very frequently. Which is obvious man, look at these guys. You think the NFL is clean? You don't keep those physique's without juice.

Either way, send your link with the football players name and a source to corroborates the 12 hour thing you mentioned about the testing and I'll have a look. Thanks!

Memo is lying, he is being racially bias here. Why do I say that? Because Conte said he could have been at the end of his cycle and got nicked. Memo didn't even bring it up so yea dog I'm a better source (impartial) than Memo. I'm in expert in being smart. Memo is a snitch, Conte isn't. Who's more reliable, some Mexican supporting a Mexican or a non-snitch white guy that did his time and doesn't care about being Mexican?

[omh]

Memo worked and is friends with both Chavez Jr and jmm both hate canelo but he always seems pretty honest.after Chavez lost to canelo Chavez said he lost because of the weight but memo nacho and Chavez Sr when asked said Jr actually made weight easy and the reason he lost was because he feared canelo's counters

[Scipio2009]

....doesn't that mean that Canelo must have eaten the tainted meat like the day of the first test where he pissed hot?

Because if he pissed hot twice, that would mean they tested him the very next day for the second bad one. Has that been confirmed with the dates of the two tests?

Like he would have to eaten the taco's and within 12 hours get tested. Then retested exactly 24 hours later to piss hot again.

If that's the case, wouldn't he know where he got the meat from? It would be fresh in his memory and not something that happened weeks ago.

Why aren't they giving more details? Was it purchased meat prepped at home, was it street taco's, or a sit down joint? If they know it's meat, why wouldn't they want to corroborate the breadcrumbs of the story? Canelo is all famous in Mexico, surely someone would want to come forward and save their national treasure?

He pissed hot on the first test, and then pissed hot on the second test with a tenth of the miniscule amount that was found in the first test.

If the half life guess for the substance is right, you're basically looking at 4-6 days for whatever that registered on the first test to also show up on the second test.

[Cheek busting]

That's not how it works. The NFL player who also tested positive did not eat meat the day of his test. He went on vacation to Mexico for 1 week came back to the US and days after he was in the US was randomly tested and still had small traces in his system just like canelo.

Look what drug expert Memo had to say.

https://www.am.com.mx/2018/03/07/general-nacional/deportes/por-este-motivo-habria-saul-alvarez-dado-positivo-en-clembuterol-443139-443139#ixzz59CFfL8SU

The contamination of Saul Alvarez was due to consume meat, said Angel Guillermo Heredia.

The physical trainer analyzed on his own the concentrations of clenbuterol that the "Canelo" threw in the voluntary tests carried out by the VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association) on February 17 and 20 in Jalisco.

The result for the Guadalajara man was 0.6 to 0.8 nanograms per milliliter in the first, and 0.06 to 0.08 in the second.

"When doing a mathematical calculation, taking into account what is the half-life of clenbuterol, which is 36 hours, depends on the human being, the activity of the athlete or metabolism of the person, taking those factors, I made an exponential equation and It gives me an accuracy of 99 percent that amount (of the 'Canelo') is according to consumption of contaminated meat.

"In my opinion, neutral, and as a scientist and with morals, as a professional, with all the experience I have, it is practically due to contamination, since the levels of 'Canelo' are too low, what happens is that there are many problems of clenbuterol in Mexico, "Heredia added.

"There are cases above 20 or 25, or up to 40 nanograms per milliliter, and they are clearly taking that substance as doping, and one point is that the tests were in Mexico, 'Canelo' ate that meat in Mexico."
If today I took a pill, the minimum dose of clenbuterol, which is 0.02 milligrams, means that when I take that pill I will have an amount of 20 ng / ml in the urine, and after 36 hours I will have 10 ng / ml, and after another 36 hours I will have 5 thousand.

Then, the "Canelo" had less than 1 ng / ml, and even lower 3 days later, so it goes according to what is metabolism of clenbuterol, it is nothing, and 'Canelo' for me is clean.

Did you know that the NFL player you're talking about, Duane Brown, had a positive test for PEDS in 2010?

Coincidence?

Just saying...

[Cheek busting]

"drug expert" memo.

with morals

bwahahahahahahahhahaha

[elfag]

....doesn't that mean that Canelo must have eaten the tainted meat like the day of the first test where he pissed hot?

Because if he pissed hot twice, that would mean they tested him the very next day for the second bad one. Has that been confirmed with the dates of the two tests?

Like he would have to eaten the taco's and within 12 hours get tested. Then retested exactly 24 hours later to piss hot again.

If that's the case, wouldn't he know where he got the meat from? It would be fresh in his memory and not something that happened weeks ago.

Why aren't they giving more details? Was it purchased meat prepped at home, was it street taco's, or a sit down joint? If they know it's meat, why wouldn't they want to corroborate the breadcrumbs of the story? Canelo is all famous in Mexico, surely someone would want to come forward and save their national treasure?

He had "trace levels". Thats all you know. He could have had a large dose a farther time out, like if he took an actual pill a week or two ago or he could have eaten minimally contaminated meat the night before, both giving him the same levels in his urine/blood. You cant tell that from the test, you can only tell that he had a small amount from the test.