Comments Thread For: WBC Prez: I'm Not Protecting Canelo, But We Have To Be Fair!

[Elroy The Great]

Just looked at your avi and this comment checks out.

same for yours, doe

just prove how roids do what theyre supposed to do ON FIGHT NIGHT.

[Street15]

the hair follicle thing..... is it real ?

all I have ever heard..... is that one poster mentioned it, and everyone else repeated it..... but, is it real?

if so, then hell yes Canelo should definitely be required to undertake the most advanced testing possible..... but, is it real?..... because 4x independent experts have all commented on this subject, and not one of them ever mentioned hair follicle testing

Absolutely. There are numerous studies that support hair testing as the main way to test for Clen. One study found a 200% increase in Clen users ( bodybuilders) when switching from urine only to hair testing.

Also, there's a book "Analytical and Practical Aspects of Drug Testing in Hair" which is written by a plethora of internation authors that reference toxicologists, sports medicine consultants, pulmonologists, and forensic scientists that all are in favor of the use of liquid chromatography hair testing for Clen as oppose to urine. Some pulmonary medicine specialists came to that conclusion in lieu of the cyclists getting busted for Clen and claiming it was meat contamination. They wanted a method that would be able to distinguish between incidental, one time use of Clen via food consumption and prolonged use of the drug itself (which is usually around 30 to 120 mcg of Clen) which stays in your system for 3 to 6 months (it varies from person to person)

[aboutfkntime]

Absolutely. There are numerous studies that support hair testing as the main way to test for Clen. One study found a 200% increase in Clen users ( bodybuilders) when switching from urine only to hair testing.

Also, there's a book "Analytical and Practical Aspects of Drug Testing in Hair" which is written by a plethora of internation authors that reference toxicologists, sports medicine consultants, pulmonologists, and forensic scientists that all are in favor of the use of liquid chromatography hair testing for Clen as oppose to urine. Some pulmonary medicine specialists came to that conclusion in lieu of the cyclists getting busted for Clen and claiming it was meat contamination. They wanted a method that would be able to distinguish between incidental, one time use of Clen via food consumption and prolonged use of the drug itself (which is usually around 30 to 120 mcg of Clen) which stays in your system for 3 to 6 months (it varies from person to person)

interesting, thanks

OBVIOUSLY, they should conduct the most advanced testing possible

based on that info..... it is very strange that 4x INDEPENDANT experts have all commented on this subject, and not one of them even mentioned hair follicle testing

it is also strange that Team Golovkin have shown no interest in making such a request

I am starting to get less and less interested in this subject myself

so..... we got an ILLEGAL process happening in Mexico..... we got a much better standard of testing that NOBODY has even mentioned..... and the "injured" party, is even less interested in this subject than I am

cool

VADA have clearly dropped the ball..... hair follicle testing should absolutely be part of the follow-up protocol when results test positive for clenbuterol..... especially considering how widespread/common this problem has become

the WHOLE situation is ridiculous, starting with Mexico, wtf ?

[$mannyFresh]

As planned, people fell for the marketing ploy. Canelo has embraced Floyd's "love me or hate me, but don't be indifferent" strategy.

[Street15]

interesting, thanks

OBVIOUSLY, they should conduct the most advanced testing possible

based on that info..... it is very strange that 4x INDEPENDANT experts have all commented on this subject, and not one of them even mentioned hair follicle testing

it is also strange that Team Golovkin have shown no interest in making such a request

Conte spoke on it. Austin Trout (who I spoke to a couple times) agrees on hair testing. I just don't think the general public cares too much about it since the narrative, along with the publicizing of the positive tests, were already laid out as incidental and meat contamination issues. So the overall general public is like "eh, nothin to see here, just an accident and something that mexico needs to clean up".

Golden Boy likes to control the narrative. You see how quickly it subsided? The only people keeping this topic alive are the boxers who have been clean and already suspected funny business going on with Canelo and people on here that want this to be over with, BUT in a fair way that illicits a FULL investigation.

We will see what happens. NSAC, WBC, WBA definitely dropped the ball. And funny thing is, the IBF has been sittin' in the cut, chillin', waiting for all info to come out before they release any nonsense exonerating anyone. As they should do. NSAC should have been all over this from the very jump.

[aboutfkntime]

Conte spoke on it. Austin Trout (who I spoke to a couple times) agrees on hair testing. I just don't think the general public cares too much about it since the narrative, along with the publicizing of the positive tests, were already laid out as incidental and meat contamination issues. So the overall general public is like "eh, nothin to see here, just an accident and something that mexico needs to clean up".

Golden Boy likes to control the narrative. You see how quickly it subsided? The only people keeping this topic alive are the boxers who have been clean and already suspected funny business going on with Canelo and people on here that want this to be over with, BUT in a fair way that illicits a FULL investigation.

We will see what happens. NSAC, WBC, WBA definitely dropped the ball. And funny thing is, the IBF has been sittin' in the cut, chillin', waiting for all info to come out before they release any nonsense exonerating anyone. As they should do. NSAC should have been all over this from the very jump.

Team Golovkin have a HUGE say in that

Team Golovkin - Sanchez aside - have been as quiet as a mouse

they could simply cancel/defer the fight..... like Wilder did, and like many others have done

if they don't give a toss, then why should anyone else

and I still think that VADA dropped the ball..... they should follow-up EVERY positive test for clenbuterol with a hair follicle examination..... they should immediately support/decry the meat contamination excuse

they are supposed to be the experts, and this situation is supposed to be a widespread problem

since reading the information that you posted, what I hear VADA saying is..... we could perform more advanced testing..... but, nah..... which is ridiculous

[aboutfkntime]

the only witness was a cow in Mexico

but, Canelo ate the evidence

[whoseyourdaddy]

So I just want to make sure I've got you correct--Conte...a man who did prison time for the same subject of the argument here is one of your reliable/credible sources? And I would say we're both ignorant here--which isn't a bad word, it's just a necessary evil on the course to getting information to prove the facts. This is why I'm so against making things personal and creating a sense of self out of some fighter who doesn't give two craps about you nor I (or know either of us for that matter). What would you say to Canelo taking the hair follicle test to prove his innocence? I'm reading that tests back 6 months for higher concentrations. Like I keep reiterating on here, I like both of these guys, but I'm a fan of the even playing field. Also, I would like to say I'm enamored that you know "whose" is the possessive form of "who" and not "who's". That one made my day. It's a whose/who/their/there/your/you're nightmare on here lol.

First of all am all for the most rigid tests available, I want the the NSAC to do what ever is necessary to either prove Canelo indeed cheated, and be punished severely for his actions or if he indeed was negligent on his intake or consumption of food, be fined for his negligence, to teach him a lesson. But you, me and anybody else have no right to destroy, and behind a computer screen speak itsh* like cowards do against a person who is unable to respond. And again without all the facts like you can’t acuse a person of cheating. And speaking of facts they all indicate it was contaminated meat. 🥩

2nd I already explained my nick at least 3 times in here, I refuse to do it again.

[whoseyourdaddy]

Absolutely. There are numerous studies that support hair testing as the main way to test for Clen. One study found a 200% increase in Clen users ( bodybuilders) when switching from urine only to hair testing.

Also, there's a book "Analytical and Practical Aspects of Drug Testing in Hair" which is written by a plethora of internation authors that reference toxicologists, sports medicine consultants, pulmonologists, and forensic scientists that all are in favor of the use of liquid chromatography hair testing for Clen as oppose to urine. Some pulmonary medicine specialists came to that conclusion in lieu of the cyclists getting busted for Clen and claiming it was meat contamination. They wanted a method that would be able to distinguish between incidental, one time use of Clen via food consumption and prolonged use of the drug itself (which is usually around 30 to 120 mcg of Clen) which stays in your system for 3 to 6 months (it varies from person to person)

If is true this should be the protocol any commission should follow, to leave no doubts, ifs and buts, punish the cheaters/ culprits and exonerate the inosent.

[Citizen Koba]

Team Golovkin have a HUGE say in that

Team Golovkin - Sanchez aside - have been as quiet as a mouse

they could simply cancel/defer the fight..... like Wilder did, and like many others have done

if they don't give a toss, then why should anyone else

and I still think that VADA dropped the ball..... they should follow-up EVERY positive test for clenbuterol with a hair follicle examination..... they should immediately support/decry the meat contamination excuse

they are supposed to be the experts, and this situation is supposed to be a widespread problem

since reading the information that you posted, what I hear VADA saying is..... we could perform more advanced testing..... but, nah..... which is ridiculous

Ha, well, a cynic might point out that Team Golovkin has every bit as much to lose in this matter as anyone else. If Golovkin's a praying man he's on his knees right now beseeching god not to let Canelo pop dirty again or some evidence come to light that forces the WBC to ban Canelo. Dude can probably taste the despair as the golden ticket slips from his grasp. Wrong side of 36 with no fight lined up and an increasingly dangerous list of mandos slavering to get their paws on him... yeah. You can bet Golovkin ain't pushing for HFDT.



Let's face it, it's a damning indictment of drug testing in the sport, (and, some might say, exposes it as the sham it always was) that none of the involved parties really seem to have any will whatsoever to get to the bottom of the matter. Hell, even the much vaunted CPB turns out to be a triumph of style over substance when you scratch the surface.

EDIT: Also this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25388545

A comparison of both parts showed no statistical difference between sub-the****utic application and contamination. In contrast, discrimination to a typical abuse of clenbuterol is apparently possible.