What can we do to help women's boxing?

[Tygshsu]

Quite simple and i'm being serious,Dress like how the men do.Obviously wear shorts to cover downstairs,however upstairs,NO.It will make millioms for the Female Boxers though,so is it worth it ?

[Vinnykin]

Thats not true women's boxing has had ups & downs in the past. Christy Martin was the first female boxier I remember seeing getting attention back in the day (mid 90's til early 00's). Then things transitioned to Laila Ali when she came around. Ali had the torched passed to her via a W over Martin + had a PPV fight vs Joe Frazier's daughter (think it did around 100k buys). Then after she left in 2007 its been dead ever since.

Now they are trying to reboot womans boxing at the more mainstream level Martin & Ali reached off of the Olympic girls who've been able to make names for themselves + I believe the success MMA has had with female fighters.

Problem is it took Martin YEARS to first get attention & Ali had her name + the ability to get the rub from beating Martin. And these girls where knocking b^tches out. Ali ended her career with a 24-0 (21) record. Martin ended her career at 49-7-3 (31).

Meanwhile the leading names around today can't punch for sh^t.

Cecilia Braekhus, 32-0 (9)
Christina Hammer, 22-0 (10)
Heather Hardy, 20-0 (4)
Katie Taylor, 8-0 (4)
Claressa Shields, 5-0 (2)
Nicola Adams, 3-0 (2), she's the only one looking like she can hit thus far, but she's

And people like their KO's. And people who aren't big KO punchers often lack in exciting the public on the mens side so its a solid bet to do the same on the womens side since there is no evidence there is some game changing huge audience of females watching female boxing that could alter the standard of what excites fans.

But it has never been "up" apart from a couple fights in one country that the rest of the world didn't care about, that proves to me that women's boxing has never been accepted (if that was women's boxing ceiling then just forget about it, scrap it)......so, I believe in the current climate, with women's rights and the current movement, that women's boxing is just getting started. Like I said before, you have the main boxing country in the world right now with every major promoter pushing a woman, I believe it is gaining traction, and the more publicity it gets then the more women will take up the sport, that's obvious. I believe a lot of girls would look at Ali's daughter or Frazier's daughter in a one-off event and think "well my dad isn't a famous boxer, what's the point?", whereas now, we see Taylor on Sky Sports on AJ cards, Cameron on Ch5, Adams on BT, at nearly every event, so there is a concerted movement going on and, therefore, I believe womens boxing is just getting started - by that I mean it was never popular or mainstream, and now it is becoming the norm.

[Eff Pandas]

But it has never been "up" apart from a couple fights in one country that the rest of the world didn't care about, that proves to me that women's boxing has never been accepted (if that was women's boxing ceiling then just forget about it, scrap it)......so, I believe in the current climate, with women's rights and the current movement, that women's boxing is just getting started.

I don't think there are enough women for some worldwide movement. There are like 1,500 female boxers. And about 15% of them are in dead divisions with less than 50 people in them.

Like I said before, you have the main boxing country in the world right now with every major promoter pushing a woman, I believe it is gaining traction, and the more publicity it gets then the more women will take up the sport, that's obvious. I believe a lot of girls would look at Ali's daughter or Frazier's daughter in a one-off event and think "well my dad isn't a famous boxer, what's the point?", whereas now, we see Taylor on Sky Sports on AJ cards, Cameron on Ch5, Adams on BT, at nearly every event, so there is a concerted movement going on and, therefore, I believe womens boxing is just getting started - by that I mean it was never popular or mainstream, and now it is becoming the norm.

That sounds well & good, but the end game with all this is the same. There are no fights for these girls or there are few fights for these girls. So womans boxing is gonna be a niche market in a niche sport til they do something to get more women in boxing & most importantly to make it more entertaining so they will attract more fans who wanna see specific womens fights.

This is a decades long process best case so yea they ARE just starting out if you believe this can be a worldwide sport on the level of mens boxing or other sports. I'd vote against that happening.

One thing I seldom hear is "oh sh^t I can't wait til the next Katie Taylor/Claressa Shields/Heather Hardy (or whoever) fight". You need that to be a thing & thats not close to being a thing cuz none of the ladies who could get attention like that right now can punch & there are no fights to make or there is a 1 off Ali vs Frazier type situation fight to make.

[Vinnykin]

I don't think there are enough women for some worldwide movement. There are like 1,500 female boxers. And about 15% of them are in dead divisions with less than 50 people in them.



That sounds well & good, but the end game with all this is the same. There are no fights for these girls or there are few fights for these girls. So womans boxing is gonna be a niche market in a niche sport til they do something to get more women in boxing & most importantly to make it more entertaining so they will attract more fans who wanna see specific womens fights.

This is a decades long process best case so yea they ARE just starting out if you believe this can be a worldwide sport on the level of mens boxing or other sports. I'd vote against that happening.

One thing I seldom hear is "oh sh^t I can't wait til the next Katie Taylor/Claressa Shields/Heather Hardy (or whoever) fight". You need that to be a thing & thats not close to being a thing cuz none of the ladies who could get attention like that right now can punch & there are no fights to make or there is a 1 off Ali vs Frazier type situation fight to make.

You're right, there isn't a lot of female boxers right now, but there is a lot more than there was 2 years ago, lots of amateurs now becoming pro's and getting on major cards and being viewed by a lot of people. I couldn't name 1 female boxer a few years ago, now, through Taylor, Cameron and Adams I have seen more women fights than ever in my 20+ years of wayching boxing regularly.

Of course there is no fights for them, becase it's just getting started, the trail blazed by Admas. Taylor etc has made more woman and amateurs make the jump to the pro game with more and more women now believing they have a chance, it all comes down to opportunity, before, they never thought it was a worthwhile career, now there is a glimmer of hope with a few names out there.

In my previous comment I said there was 2 of the 3 names in British boxing in the same division. I truly believe we have a future fight that could headline or co-headline a big event with Taylor vs Cameron, it's not a British fight but Ireland vs Britain and will be just as big. These two will clash, and it could be the spark that is needed in the womens game (I would definitely tune in if they fought, and I have never been interested in the womens game).

All it will take is lighter gloves, 3 minute rounds and a defining fight like taylor/cameron to make people get on board.

[Eff Pandas]

You're right, there isn't a lot of female boxers right now, but there is a lot more than there was 2 years ago, lots of amateurs now becoming pro's and getting on major cards and being viewed by a lot of people. I couldn't name 1 female boxer a few years ago, now, through Taylor, Cameron and Adams I have seen more women fights than ever in my 20+ years of wayching boxing regularly.

There might be more overall women boxers, but amateur boxing is a niche of a niche of a niche sport lol. And idk that there IS more pro female fighters. If there is its by a small %.

Of course there is no fights for them, becase it's just getting started, the trail blazed by Admas. Taylor etc has made more woman and amateurs make the jump to the pro game with more and more women now believing they have a chance, it all comes down to opportunity, before, they never thought it was a worthwhile career, now there is a glimmer of hope with a few names out there.

You are optimistic as f#ck I'll give you that. But there are divisions on the mens side who people complain are garbage divisions that have more fighters than ALL OF womens boxing. This is a decades long journey best case. And I just don't see womens boxing getting THAT big with the realities & likeliness of needed changes taking place.

In my previous comment I said there was 2 of the 3 names in British boxing in the same division. I truly believe we have a future fight that could headline or co-headline a big event with Taylor vs Cameron, it's not a British fight but Ireland vs Britain and will be just as big. These two will clash, and it could be the spark that is needed in the womens game (I would definitely tune in if they fought, and I have never been interested in the womens game).

Okay so you got a fight that might get some attention across the pond, but then what? Whats the next fight? There is no next fight when the divisions are so shallow.

You need 1,000-2,000 boxers in a division for there to be some cream that rises to the top that can create a sustainable product for the fans to watch.

There currently is only one female division that has over 150 girls (Flyweight). Thats honestly where they need to be building there stars from not these big girl divisions where most of the names are at. Hell those names aren't probably THAT strong. They are just the clear leader in a weaker division thus they now got a name. Almost a third of the girls who box are at 112-126. Thats where promoters should be focusing their energies. Thats where iron is gonna sharpen iron.

But my main point is this is a long journey for female boxing that the girls currently boxing will be long retired before they see it IF it ever can become enough of a thing to be worldwide popular in the first place.

[soul_survivor]

Kill it off. Its ugly and trash.

[Eff Pandas]

nothing, im not interested in watching two dykes fight each other. i never understand why mma fans like watching the women. why would you watch a lower quality product?

Women fighting IS a lower quality product I think everyone being reasonable would agree. But I think when it comes to fighting people don't care as much like they do with other sports. Fighting IS entertaining at every level to some degree as long as its competitive & we have the possibility of seeing someone get KTFO I think womens boxing could in theory be more popular then it is.

But thats the problem with womens boxing. There are few competitive fights to make & there is lil chance to see someone get KTFO. Womens MMA on the other hand has some legit matchmaking & L's don't matter as much. I think one of the best women in MMA right now gots a 7-3 record. And with the ability to kick & submit people there is still the ability to end fights early or see girls get the sh^t knocked out of them.

Thats all fans want. Competitive fights & maybe the chance to see someone KTFO/not finish a fight. You give them that & you can get someone. You don't & you won't....or you need to find some other way like having your ******* out or loser eats out the winner as has been suggested in this thread already.

[Vinnykin]

There might be more overall women boxers, but amateur boxing is a niche of a niche of a niche sport lol. And idk that there IS more pro female fighters. If there is its by a small %.



You are optimistic as f#ck I'll give you that. But there are divisions on the mens side who people complain are garbage divisions that have more fighters than ALL OF womens boxing. This is a decades long journey best case. And I just don't see womens boxing getting THAT big with the realities & likeliness of needed changes taking place.



Okay so you got a fight that might get some attention across the pond, but then what? Whats the next fight? There is no next fight when the divisions are so shallow.

You need 1,000-2,000 boxers in a division for there to be some cream that rises to the top that can create a sustainable product for the fans to watch.

There currently is only one female division that has over 150 girls (Flyweight). Thats honestly where they need to be building there stars from not these big girl divisions where most of the names are at. Hell those names aren't probably THAT strong. They are just the clear leader in a weaker division thus they now got a name. Almost a third of the girls who box are at 112-126. Thats where promoters should be focusing their energies. Thats where iron is gonna sharpen iron.

But my main point is this is a long journey for female boxing that the girls currently boxing will be long retired before they see it IF it ever can become enough of a thing to be worldwide popular in the first place.

I agree with what you are saying but I just think there is a change going on, I've watched 20+ press conferences that had a women on the panel in the last year, before it was 0, once in a blue moon.

I think that you're maybe thinking that I think the female side of the sport will be a success some day, and that it will become even remotely as popular as the mens game.....nope, I don't. What I have been seeing is 1 female fight per card in most UK shows, and a few from the U.S. Guaranteed you will see Cameron on a Josh Taylor (or Frampton before) card, I've watched her live twice now, and she has won me over. Same with Taylor, she has been on AJ cards and has actually headlined a card...... my point is that I don't see the women getting big exposure, or there being many fights, but I definitely think it is on the up and can maybe be accepted as a regular feature on most undercards, at least one fight.... I still maintain that an epic fight between two women can change opinion... but like you said it needs 3 minute rounds and smaller gloves, until then there is no danger, even when there is a big skill gap I see the other surviving for 10+ rounds taking loads of shots (women are tough, they just can't punch hard)

I still think the women's game is in it's early phase and just getting started, I can name and will watch 3 fighters in the U.K currently, whereas I was against it a few years ago. Cameron especially has changed my mind, she reminds me of GGG with no power lol and I believe she beats Taylor, and that is the only fight I want to see......but at least I want to see a fight?

It all hinges on them giving them smaller gloves and 3 minute rounds, I truly believe that. It's the same reason why I don't watch a women's tennis final that finishes in 2 rounds, it's ****e......but I believe it can be good at least, and become a regular feature on every undercard with the occasional main event when a decent rivalry is built in the same weight class.

[stellen]

Honestly i dont want to help womens pro boxing. Its weak beyond belief. I'd like to see it die and see them stick to the amateurs. Winning a gold medal for your country at the olympics is a beautiful thing. They should be satisfied with that. Why aren't they satisfied with that?

[Eff Pandas]

I agree with what you are saying but I just think there is a change going on, I've watched 20+ press conferences that had a women on the panel in the last year, before it was 0, once in a blue moon.

Oh no doubt there is definitely a push by promoters who've signed these notable female fighters that are invested in making womens boxing bigger & therefore they are getting more attention. Where is that attention really going though? I mean Hardy has been getting pushed by DiBella for awhile now, granted she's got no Olympic medal, & she's still decided to make a last ditch play for more success in MMA cuz she's burning daylight with her athletic career & nothing was happening in boxing.

I think that you're maybe thinking that I think the female side of the sport will be a success some day, and that it will become even remotely as popular as the mens game.....nope I don't.

I thought YOU were saying something like that.

but I definitely think it is on the up and can maybe be accepted as a regular feature on most undercards, at least one fight....

Thats what Christy Martin & Laila Ali were back in the day. Martin was a mainstay on Tyson cards for awhile iirc. And I think Mia St. John & Butterbean were on damn near every TR card for awhile.

I still maintain that an epic fight between two women can change opinion...

It can change opinion. About those 2 girls in that epic fight. The sport lacks the depth to do much beyond what specific high level girls can do at the elite level in those rare opportunities when they get a chance to fight.

I still think the women's game is in it's early phase and just getting started, I can name and will watch 3 fighters in the U.K currently, whereas I was against it a few years ago. Cameron especially has changed my mind, she reminds me of GGG with no power lol and I believe she beats Taylor, and that is the only fight I want to see......but at least I want to see a fight?

GGG with no power lmfao.

I think you are in the tiny minority of people who've been seduced with the idea of a female fight.

It all hinges on them giving them smaller gloves and 3 minute rounds, I truly believe that.

I think whatever is more likely to present more KO's to fans is needed. If smaller gloves creates more KO's or 3min rounds or something else I'm not thinking of idk, but female boxing needs KO's by any means necessary. But there are still gonna need depth with more girls wanting to fight & since most girls don't enjoy competing in any competitive sport past HS age & even less of that segment wanna participate in a getting hit in the head sport its always gonna be a uphill climb to get females boxing anyway.

Boxing might be the hardest sport to get girls interested in. At least in MMA there is still a lot of wrestling & BJJ & less hitting each other upside the head.