Floyd Mayweather is in my top 3 of all time let the hate begin!

[Johnwoo8686]

....and nobody in their right mind would put Floyd above any of those guys p4p...

Boxrec currently has Floyd ranked above all of the guys I mentioned. I personally put Ray Robinson and Ali above Floyd but I place Floyd above Ray Leonard.

[Johnwoo8686]

cotto, canelo, pac, and mosley combined wouldn't equal duran's rank on an atg list..add in the fact that by the time floyd decided to fight cotto, pac, and mosely, the fights are way past the past due date, this is why he falls way short compared to ali, srl, and those guys...its about who you beat, and when you beat them...i don't care what kind of spin you try to put on it so floyd gets some kind of pass...

Pac has already passed Duran in most all time great rankings. Have you looked at them recently? And lets not act like Leonard didn't fight some over the hill fighters. He could have fought Julian Jackson, Donald Curry, or Mike McCallum but instead chose to fight an over the hill overweight Duran for the third time in 1989. And lets not pretend he didn't duck the rematch with Hagler after barely beating a past it Hagler in their first fight.

[djtmal]

Pac has already passed Duran in most all time great rankings. Have you looked at them recently? And lets not act like Leonard didn't fight some over the hill fighters. He could have fought Julian Jackson, Donald Curry, or Mike McCallum but instead chose to fight an over the hill overweight Duran for the third time in 1989. And lets not pretend he didn't duck the rematch with Hagler after barely beating a past it Hagler in their first fight.

....in atg rankings overall pac has passed duran? show me a list that supports that...i am looking at a list now that has duran @ #6 and srl # 10...i will start there

[Johnwoo8686]

....in atg rankings overall pac has passed duran? show me a list that supports that...i am looking at a list now that has duran @ #6 and srl # 10...i will start there

Boxrec currently ranks Pacquiao at 4 and Robert Duran at 20 in their all time great pound for pound rankings. Pac won titles in 8 divisions, Duran couldn't win titles in even 5.
Duran is great, no question, but he's not a great as Pac.

[djtmal]

Boxrec currently ranks Pacquiao at 4 and Robert Duran at 20 in their all time great pound for pound rankings. Pac won titles in 8 divisions, Duran couldn't win titles in even 5.
Duran is great, no question, but he's not a great as Pac.

duran moved up from lw to beat a prime srl, a natural ww, who consistently ranks top 10 atg...that trumps anything pac did...pac beating hatton and cotto combined doesn't trump that

[Johnwoo8686]

duran moved up from lw to beat a prime srl, a natural ww, who consistently ranks top 10 atg...that trumps anything pac did...pac beating hatton and cotto combined doesn't trump that

Then Duran quit in the rematch and got his butt whooped by two guys Leonard beat in Hearns and Hagler. I've never seen Manny quit in any fight ever despite fighting way out of his original weight class.

[djtmal]

Then Duran quit in the rematch and got his butt whooped by two guys Leonard beat in Hearns and Hagler. I've never seen Manny quit in any fight ever despite fighting way out of his original weight class.

duran at his best is whats on the table...at his best again he beat prime ww srl...better than any 1 win pac has...what pac accomplished is admirable don't get me wrong...

[robertzimmerman]

Johnwoo8686,

As the saying goes: men lie, women lie, but numbers don't lie. At least I'm using facts and statistics to back up my claims. You simply are using opinions by saying things like "Leonard has better wins than Floyd" but not saying how they are better. Every scientific study uses facts and statistics to come up with their hypothesis but you don't want to apply that same standard when talking about boxing because it will make the guy you personally don't like seem greater.

Sort yourself out.

How many more times do you need telling?

Statistics don't allow for circumstances.

I don't care that statistics are factual pieces of information. Because to a knowledgeable person, they mean absolutely NOTHING WITHOUT CONTEXT.

It's a FACT that Danny Williams knocked out Mike Tyson.

It's a FACT that Trevor Berbick beat Muhammad Ali.

It means nothing.

Ray HAS got better wins on his resume than Floyd. Because he beat BETTER fighters whilst they were in their PRIME.

If you can't appreciate that, then you have an awful lot to learn.

You do not rank a guy solely on numbers.

Cotto, Canelo, Pacquiao, Mosley will all be in the hall of fame. De La Hoya and Gatti are already there. Leonard's hall of fame wins are probably Hearns, Hagler, Duran and Benitez which is four hall of famers to Mayweather's 5.

Ha!

What a joke.

More numbers.

Oh dear.

And before you say some of those guys were past prime remember that Hagler was past prime when Leonard fought him and Leonard even admitted it himself that's why he fought Hagler at that time.

True. But again, Ray was also part his prime, he'd never fought at MW, and he'd been inactive for over 3 years.

[robertzimmerman]

Boxrec currently ranks Pacquiao at 4 and Robert Duran at 20 in their all time great pound for pound rankings. Pac won titles in 8 divisions, Duran couldn't win titles in even 5.
Duran is great, no question, but he's not a great as Pac.

Stop with this utter nonsense.

Duran couldn't even win titles in 5?

Do you know how dumb you look with that statement?

And why do you keep quoting BoxRec? How can they be taken seriously and respected if they have Floyd as the greatest WW of all time?

Floyd's peak was at the lower weights. He possesses no great wins at WW, and you couldn't even put him there on a H2H basis. He was a safety first fighter with hand issues.

[robertzimmerman]

Then Duran quit in the rematch and got his butt whooped by two guys Leonard beat in Hearns and Hagler. I've never seen Manny quit in any fight ever despite fighting way out of his original weight class.

You've obviously never seen Duran-Hagler.