Comments Thread For: Mikey Garcia Drops, Decisions Sergey Lipinets, Wins IBF Title

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Only difference I saw between these two really was size and power. Showtime listed Mikey as being under 150 lbs in the ring... he was 170 just a month ago or so in camp. I don't believe that for a second. Mikey looks like another one of these clenbuterol weight bully guys, and every time Lipinets hit him with stinging shots it was like a lightweight hitting a welterweight. If Lipinets wants to be elite he basically has the skills of Mikey, but he needs to do the same weight bully **** Mikey does and go down to 135 otherwise the weight bullies at 140 like Mikey and Prograis will just walk through all his best shots. That was really the difference in the fight.

I also think Lipinets has bad fundamentals ducking the right hand, but Mikey has some bad defensive habits too. Their styles are a little different but overall these guys showed equal skill, Mikey was just bigger, more powerful, and impossible for Lipinets to hurt. Mikey showed tonight he is overrated and if he was fighting guys his size, he would be in trouble.

[Boxing Logic]

Mikey was only 147lbs on the day of the fight. Looks can be deceiving.

Yeah and Floyd was only 150 in the ring vs all his opponents. In my opinion, Showtime has been lying about weight night weights for years with certain privileged Haymon boxers, and Mikey said he is following Floyd's blueprint, so put 2 and 2 together. He was way more than 150 in that ring tonight.

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Mikey would be a very very tough fight for Lomachenko at 135

he is a sniper

Loma uses speed/angles very well, but he is there to be countered and Mikey is a beast at lightweight..... either, Garcia would get outworked or Lomachenko would get stopped

and not sure if we would see the same output/combo's from Loma..... put it this way, Loma would be far more hesitant/measured than he was with the 122 lb'er Rigo

[aboutfkntime]

Only difference I saw between these two really was size and power. Showtime listed Mikey as being under 150 lbs in the ring... he was 170 just a month ago or so in camp. I don't believe that for a second. Mikey looks like another one of these clenbuterol weight bully guys, and every time Lipinets hit him with stinging shots it was like a lightweight hitting a welterweight. If Lipinets wants to be elite he basically has the skills of Mikey, but he needs to do the same weight bully **** Mikey does and go down to 135 otherwise the weight bullies at 140 like Mikey and Prograis will just walk through all his best shots. That was really the difference in the fight.

I also think Lipinets has bad fundamentals ducking the right hand, but Mikey has some bad defensive habits too. Their styles are a little different but overall these guys showed equal skill, Mikey was just bigger, more powerful, and impossible for Lipinets to hurt. Mikey showed tonight he is overrated and if he was fighting guys his size, he would be in trouble.

that explains a few things

[Boxing Logic]

Mikey is an excellent fighter. But, he needs to cap his weight jumping at the 140lb division. He’s very good fundamentally. But his power is what makes him special. And above 135, he doesn’t have big time power. Lipinets basically walked through everything Mikey landed outside of a single shot. And Mikey was landing bombs. And because he didn’t really have to worry about Mikey’s power, he basically was able to walk Garcia down and make it an extremely difficult fight. Mikey needs to forget about Crawford and Spence(Errol would hurt Mikey really badly), take his butt back down to lightweight, and set his sights on a Lomachencko superfight. He’s probably an underdog in that one too, but at least it’s winnable. Tossing him in with Spence is in hindsight about like tossing Rigondeaux in with Lomachencko. Except instead of being embarrassed, he’s likely to get hurt. He matches up a little better against Crawford, but I think Bud KOs him as well.

Dude, Lipinets was very worried about Mikey's power. It's just he was still able to walk down Mikey because Mikey was missing a ton. He only got the left hook off nice a handful of times all fight, and the right hand missed over the top a lot despite Lipinets poor defense. Also Mikey wasn't getting hurt by anything Lipinets threw but it was still painful, and Mikey has always shied away from pain in the ring in a sense. I don't know how to explain it. No one likes pain but some boxers shy away more than others. He could have walked through Lipinets shots earlier but he was respecting Lipinets a lot, that's the only reason Lipinets moved forward. It's not because he didn't respect Mikey's power (or size), he definitely did. Mikey could hurt him with any shot, Lipinets couldn't hurt Mikey with any shots.

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Remember that Loma will not be able to hurt him though. I don't think Garcia's game plan will be to try and outbox him due to Loma's superior skills but he may try and enforce his size advantage by bulling into him and ripping his body as much as possible.

I think Mikey’s gameplan would be to work behind his jab and beat Lomachencko to his spots. Lomachencko is actually fairly predictable. He wants to flurry, then step around you. Which means Mikey is gonna be timing him up for a counter hook or right hand depending on which way Lomachencko bails out. And once he lands one, I doubt Lomachencko will wanna take too many more of them. And then it’s game on. Because Lomachencko will be forced to outbox someone standing in front of them.

[Boxing Logic]

I agree with you 110%. Very good points. Crawford unified an incredibly weak division, moved up (because he already enters the ring at 160 and can't make 140 anymore) and now Mikey is doing the same thing. Winning belts in an incredibly weak division. Crawford shouldn't be a top p4p guy for fighting Postol and Indongo and Mikey shouldn't be a top p4p fighter for wins over Broner and Lipinets. The only real difference between Bud winning at 140 and Mikey doing it, is that Bud is 10-15 pounds bigger.

140 has always been a stepping stone division. Anyone who can prove they are the best at 140 can move up to 147 and make over twice as much money. Mikey is definitely at his best at 135, but he is good enough to clean up a division where everyone is bigger than he is. Not nearly big enough to compete with the best at 147, but he will give it a try I'm sure.

Stop peddling the lie that Lipinets was bigger than Mikey. He wasn't. One of their stable mates who trained with both of them said Mikey is way bigger than him, and you saw it in the power disparity, in the legs, shoulders, and biceps of Mikey. Mikey isn't the biggest 140 of all time but he's bigger than Lipinets. He weighed 170 a month ago in camp and he's fighting at 140, not exactly "fighting bigger guys."

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Dude, Lipinets was very worried about Mikey's power. It's just he was still able to walk down Mikey because Mikey was missing a ton. He only got the left hook off nice a handful of times all fight, and the right hand missed over the top a lot despite Lipinets poor defense. Also Mikey wasn't getting hurt by anything Lipinets threw but it was still painful, and Mikey has always shied away from pain in the ring in a sense. I don't know how to explain it. No one likes pain but some boxers shy away more than others. He could have walked through Lipinets shots earlier but he was respecting Lipinets a lot, that's the only reason Lipinets moved forward. It's not because he didn't respect Mikey's power (or size), he definitely did. Mikey could hurt him with any shot, Lipinets couldn't hurt Mikey with any shots.

Mikey adjusted that right hand fairly early and got home with it plenty. It just didn’t affect Lipinets. Not sure what fight you were watching. Lipinets ate some bombs. And I think Lipinets hurt Mikey more than you think, especially to the body. The SHO crew didn’t give him enough credit for his bodywork. Mikey for the most part took Lipinets shots well. But he definitely felt Lipinets. Which is why I think he didn’t press the attack after the KD. He was very leery of what was coming back at him.

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It's over?

The Showtime broadcast hasn't arrived to the main event yet lol smh