Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Canelo's Positive Test, Wilder's Big KO Win

[Progrssive_Jedi]

"GGG’s legacy and health is on the line and if GGG decided not to fight he would have a legitimate right not to do so."- Bread

I totally agree, and I think if GGG was NOT "business man," he would postpone this fight until September, and force Canelo into FULL VADA until September! In the meantime GGG could fight Derevyanchenko or Andrade. However, money talks, so the fight will go on!

One last note, butchers cut meat, they don't raise cattle, or test meat for steroids or other hormones.

Yea, but Butchers know Mexican meat has been said to be tainted. It shows they can’t claim ignorance of that fact and also know where to get safe meat.

[steeve steel]

This is exactly right. The people that are still pushing so hard for this fight don't give a **** about anyone but their own entertainment. You really wanna see a serious injury or even death? PEDs are no joke and boxing needs to be zero tolerance on their usage.

They need to suspend Canelo and test him for the rest of his career. After Canelo's suspension Golovkin should be given the choice on whether or not he wants to go ahead with the fight, like Wilder with Ortiz.

At the end of the day, it's GGG's decision... these are not innocent kids! Plus it's a win-win for him; he already won the first fight in most knowledgable boxing fans and journalists minds, and now with the tainted meat scandal, even if he loses, he will be praised for still taking the fight against a cheater.

[Boxing Logic]

Lol I dont think one decent scrap with Bute where Bute had limited success vs Degale is what started Degale's decline. He was already overrated when green Groves beat him, was losing to Dirrell until he caught him (but everyone starts off losing to Dirrell before catching him), Porky Medina really the fight where Degale took big damage I think, and then Jack just came close to finishing what Medina started.

Degale has always been overrated, and perhaps draining himself to make 168 which could be why he gasses late and takes damage, and as a result, that may be what's causing Breadman to in my opinion overrate Badou Jack. "Pound for pound" good? When 40 year old Stevenson gives him hell, let's revisit that statement. Not saying Jack wont win, I have no idea who to pick at this point in Stevenson's career honestly, but skill and power wise I expect Stevenson to show he is a lot closer to P4P than Jack is early. Only if Stevenson gasses due to age does Jack have a good chance to win, but he has to survive until then.

I mean, Jack is a natural light heavyweight, cant make 168, but couldnt knock out Groves at 168. Slow Carl Froch who was a good not great one punch power guy, definitely not an elite puncher, hurt Groves in both their fights, and stopped him. So Jack is being portrayed like some huge puncher now, he really isn't. On PEDs or not, Bute was old and got hit a ton, and an elite puncher would have taken him out too even on PEDs.

Also, for the record I see lots of Canelo fanboys claiming PEDs dont help your chin. Breadman's logic here, which I agree with, is based on the assumption PEDs helped Bute's chin. I definitely agree, Im just saying, not so much that if Jack were as good as he's saying, Jack would have still had more success vs Bute than he did.

Basically, Jack showed himself to be on the same level, or slight above the same level, as all the #3 through #7 best super middleweights (I consider Benavidez and Ramirez to be the top 2), despite being naturally bigger than all of them. So unless you have the #3 through #7 Super Middleweights on your P4P list, I would not put Jack there either. I think he's basically equal to guys like Groves, Anthony Dirrell, James Degale, and so on in a pound for pound sense, and the only thing that separated him from them when they actually fought in the ring was his size advantage over them.

Against guys his size at 175, I see Bivol boxing circles around him until he catches him and knocks him out, sort of like the Barrera fight just faster, I see Beterbiev alternating between busting him up with his superior jab and going to war with him in spots for 2-3 rounds until he knocks him out, I see past prime Kovalev with his bad stamina now hurting Jack a lot early, then getting worn down some in the mid rounds, but Jack getting worn down worse from all the punishment upstairs, same as happened to Miklhalkin, until Kovalev stops him in a much harder fight than it would have been for him 4 years ago, I see Gvozdyk boxing circles around Jack with his reach, speed, and power advantage until Jack gets knocked out, and I see Stevenson either knocking out Jack early or getting caught in a battle of attribution from the mid-rounds on that could go either way.

So really, the only top 175's Jack even has a chance against in my opinion are the too oldest, most faded ones, Stevenson and Kovalev, and even Kovalev would be a huge favorite IMO. When you get to the three who if they aren't already the best in the division will be within the next 18 months probably, Bivol, Beterbiev, and Gvozdyk, I think Jack would end up in a world of hurt. Granted, Gvozdyk and Beterbiev would now be opponents for the first time bigger than him, but Bivol is not any bigger than Jack, in fact he might be smaller, but I wouldn't give Jack much chance at all. So either that makes Bivol a top 5 P4P guy (which who knows maybe it will turn out that he is), or it makes Jack not P4P at all. To me, Bivol is a P4P boxer to the eye test but still needs more wins to get there on resume P4P lists, but Jack is not. A P4P guy needs to beat George Groves, faded James Degale, past prime Lucian Bute PEDS or no (especially since many speculate Jack is on PEDs as well), and Anthony Dirrell a lot more dominantly than he did.

[Afi23]

cycling is way more harsh with dopers than boxing is. and a cyclist isn't knocking others out with his bike he's just riding that sht up some mountains. for a dangerous sport like boxing to give so much passes and second chances to dopers is disgusting.

Mathias Eggenberger, a golfer, popped dirty for clenbuterol while in Mexico. it was proved it was contaminated meat but guess what he was still sanctioned. he was retroactively DQ'd and had his scores erased.

there is something called strict liability which means an athlete is responsible for whatever is in his system.

Raul Mondesi Jr, a minor leaguer for the Royals popped dirty for clenbuterol after a trip to the D.R. it was proved it was due to an over the counter cold medication. guess what he was punished anyway. Strict liabilty means an athlete must exercise due diligence. he was told he needed to contact team officials before consuming any food, medicine or supplement.

and people love to bring up the Mexican soccer players in 2011. as if that should give an athlete a pass in 2018.

the fact that Canelo was even consuming meat in a highly contaminated area makes him even more guilty and should receive an even harsher punishment. it's called gross negligence. that's of course if the meat story is even true.

this phony "investigation" is already tainted. you already had the WBC and WBA sing his praises and innocence.

the ONLY way to know if the clenbuterol was food derived or illegal doping is a hair sample test. blood and urine at this stage is not proving anything. the clen will be detected in hair for up to three months. in blood and urine only for less than 36 hours.

Canelo was caught cycling and VADA popped up unexpectedly. his clen results were TEN TIMES higher than the cyclist Contador that was banned for two years. for a score like that to come from food means this mofo ate a whole fckin cow less than 36 hours before testing. did they have a big feast that day? don't be fooled by these crooks saying "trace levels".

If GGG/Abel/Loeffler really wanted to put an end to all speculation they would DEMAND hair sample testing. if it was truly food the scores will be very low but if was illegal doping it'll be extremely high. if they say they are content with blood and urine then fans should just stop talking about this topic. if GGG's camp dont give a damn then there's nothing further to talk about.

Fair points you are making here.
Strict Liability, Gross Negligence. Out of curiosity, are you a lawyer?

[petegrif]

Great idea above

test those who eat with him - that would be extremely revealing. But you better do it without notice and fast.


Smith is a moronic loudmouth. I have seen turds on the sidewalk with a deeper understanding of boxing.

[petegrif]

Testing friends and family will only work once.
As soon as this way if detecting cheats is know the whole camp will be doing with the fighter. )

[7not8]

Fair points you are making here.
Strict Liability, Gross Negligence. Out of curiosity, are you a lawyer?

😂😂😂😂 ^ This really made me LOL!!

[7not8]

This whole tainted meat situation is really casting a dark cloud at the top of a really steep hill that CA must climb. Boxing and safety must/should go hand in hand but unfortunately $ is the motivating factor behind all.

[Steven Mccowan]

Great write in by the boxing judge. That comment should be posted in bold letters on the home screen of,every boxing site. To many ignorant ppl making bs arguments and have absolutely no idea of how easy it is to score a fight. Oh and yeah canelo is a cheater lile everyone else but it wont matter because he aint in GGG league.

[Bronx2245]

Yea, but Butchers know Mexican meat has been said to be tainted. It shows they can’t claim ignorance of that fact and also know where to get safe meat.

Why would they know where to get "safe" meat? Because they're butchers? They should know where to find "safe" meat because they're rich. However, most boxers can't afford Chefs, Butchers, and Farmers!