We should start a petition

[Eff Pandas]

No it will never end but it can reach the point of no return(as far as any high level broadcasters dealing with it)imo.

I don't believe that. I think boxing is such an entertaining event that it'll never die unless our culture severely changes to some ultimate PC/nerf'd up world where two guys hitting each other in the head for 36 minutes is deemed socially unacceptable & financially unfundable due to the masses who see it as inhumane.

And even then I've theorized numerous times here I could see a future where boxing in a VR world, unlike one we could even imagine today as that technology progresses, where no competitor is ever injured at all is a likely way I could see boxing turning that could be a more acceptable form of the sport to a bigger mass of people who would be against the more savage & dangerous version we know now.

Although I will say RIGHT NOW boxing is in better place then it has for a few years but at the end of every decade the numbers keep going down.

100%. Things are going right in boxing in a number of ways. Even that TR/ESPN deal was a nice lil thing & I love what TR is doing on the next level of viewing boxing with their ability to customized your view of the fight which is the power you'll see used more & more as TV flips over from broadcast to streaming. Alternate commentary is coming to I'd bet. I've been wanting the ability to turn off the commentary completely myself for f#cking a decade or more now. I'd pay extra on some app to have the ability to shut Lampley & crew down. But that & the things I mentioned already are cuz people are seeing upside in boxing right now I believe.

I mean people use PPV numbers to say boxing is growing that's a flawed viewpoint.PPV is growing as the biggest PPV is REALLY prob Holy/Foreman it drew like 1.8 at a time when there was only 8 mil homes with PPV.I know I had to go one town over and rent a hotel room with friends we bought a keg and charged for cups to make it back lol.May/Pac got 4.6 but there are 100 mil plus with PPV now.

Well the thing with PPV to is I believe PPV is a dying or adjusting concept right now is a part of the thing with that. I think a lot of people don't see THAT much value in buying a PPV with one fight they wanna see. They don't find it consumer friendly. Why can't I buy the main fight only? Why can't I buy the whole card if I'm a boxing dork? Why aren't we streaming this so I can customized my viewing of this thing I'm paying extra for vs other boxing events I watch for free?.

Basically there are a lot of problems with PPV boxing minus the ability for any a$$hole with a cellphone to be able to stream it live on his FB page that is hurting the product they are selling.

Its a business model that hasn't changed or has given you much more innovation or value since I first started watching it & understanding it in the 90's. Thats a problem that needs to be fixed if the PPV boxing business model is ever going to thrive outside of a few name guys in each era.

[john l]

I don't believe that. I think boxing is such an entertaining event that it'll never die unless our culture severely changes to some ultimate PC/nerf'd up world where two guys hitting each other in the head for 36 minutes is deemed socially unacceptable & financially unfundable due to the masses who see it as inhumane.

And even then I've theorized numerous times here I could see a future where boxing in a VR world, unlike one we could even imagine today as that technology progresses, where no competitor is ever injured at all is a likely way I could see boxing turning that could be a more acceptable form of the sport to a bigger mass of people who would be against the more savage & dangerous version we know now.



100%. Things are going right in boxing in a number of ways. Even that TR/ESPN deal was a nice lil thing & I love what TR is doing on the next level of viewing boxing with their ability to customized your view of the fight which is the power you'll see used more & more as TV flips over from broadcast to streaming. Alternate commentary is coming to I'd bet. I've been wanting the ability to turn off the commentary completely myself for f#cking a decade or more now. I'd pay extra on some app to have the ability to shut Lampley & crew down. But that & the things I mentioned already are cuz people are seeing upside in boxing right now I believe.



Well the thing with PPV to is I believe PPV is a dying or adjusting concept right now is a part of the thing with that. I think a lot of people don't see THAT much value in buying a PPV with one fight they wanna see. They don't find it consumer friendly. Why can't I buy the main fight only? Why can't I buy the whole card if I'm a boxing dork? Why aren't we streaming this so I can customized my viewing of this thing I'm paying extra for vs other boxing events I watch for free?.

Basically there are a lot of problems with PPV boxing minus the ability for any a$$hole with a cellphone to be able to stream it live on his FB page that is hurting the product they are selling.

Its a business model that hasn't changed or has given you much more innovation or value since I first started watching it & understanding it in the 90's. Thats a problem that needs to be fixed if the PPV boxing business model is ever going to thrive outside of a few name guys in each era.

The PPV modal still works for UFC its just their biggest dtars are gone right nowMcGgreagor,Lesner,Rousey.But I agree the ESPN deal is HUGE its the elephant in the room when it comes to sport in USA.

[Eff Pandas]

The PPV modal still works for UFC its just their biggest dtars are gone right nowMcGgreagor,Lesner,Rousey.But I agree the ESPN deal is HUGE its the elephant in the room when it comes to sport in USA.

The UFC gots a better PPV strategy I'd argue. But I don't think you could do that in boxing cuz boxing is too spread out. And the UFC plays around with it better via Fight Pass & now they are using Amazon to. They are doing & have been doing more innovative stuff for longer to that I'm SURE we will see on their PPV's soon when they get on a streaming PPV platform (which Amazon could become for them in theory).

If you recall boxing tried to go the UFC route with a monthly product back in the TVKO days (which later became HBO PPV) & they were showing bs fights that did bad numbers within the first 6mos iirc & they were skipping months & done within a year or 18 months iirc. They pivoted that model to the big name PPV fight model which works better with how boxing is structured.

I think TVKO would have likely succeeded or at a minimum had a better chance for it IF they could have pulled fights from the cream of the crop of athletes like the UFC can do. But TVKO was limited in who they could line up cuz they had to be affiliated with TVKO/HBO & the promoters had to agree & the fighters had to agree & the managers of the fighters had to get the right deal that the fighter would agree to & the abc groups had to agree in some cases lol. Boxing is a f#cking mess with all the lil groups of power all over in the sport.

Thats a problem when you are trying to streamline a certain quality of product month after month. And if you aren't offering a regularly scheduled product you are gonna lose some % of potential viewers from event to event when events could be 2, 4, 6, 8mos or longer away from each other.

[john l]

The UFC gots a better PPV strategy I'd argue. But I don't think you could do that in boxing cuz boxing is too spread out. And the UFC plays around with it better via Fight Pass & now they are using Amazon to. They are doing & have been doing more innovative stuff for longer to that I'm SURE we will see on their PPV's soon when they get on a streaming PPV platform (which Amazon could become for them in theory).

If you recall boxing tried to go the UFC route with a monthly product back in the TVKO days (which later became HBO PPV) & they were showing bs fights that did bad numbers within the first 6mos iirc & they were skipping months & done within a year or 18 months iirc. They pivoted that model to the big name PPV fight model which works better with how boxing is structured.

I think TVKO would have likely succeeded or at a minimum had a better chance for it IF they could have pulled fights from the cream of the crop of athletes like the UFC can do. But TVKO was limited in who they could line up cuz they had to be affiliated with TVKO/HBO & the promoters had to agree & the fighters had to agree & the managers of the fighters had to get the right deal that the fighter would agree to & the abc groups had to agree in some cases lol. Boxing is a f#cking mess with all the lil groups of power all over in the sport.

Thats a problem when you are trying to streamline a certain quality of product month after month. And if you aren't offering a regularly scheduled product you are gonna lose some % of potential viewers from event to event when events could be 2, 4, 6, 8mos or longer away from each other.

Hey we were thinking of doing another fight this week besides Garcia Lipps so I just put up a post with 3 choices your gonna wanna go vote.

[Eff Pandas]

Hey we were thinking of doing another fight this week besides Garcia Lipps so I just put up a post with 3 choices your gonna wanna go vote.

Think I voted already.

[daggum]

this makes sense why they delayed the negotiations so long for canelo to cycle. they did it in the first fight as well. he probably thought his system would be clean by now. im sure most boxers do this but its always nice to be in control of the negotiations and when the testing starts. major miscalculation though

[Cheek busting]

It would cost way too much money. Who is going to foot the bill? Especially since most boxers year around aren't going to be able to juice the whole time hence why failed PED tests in lower weight boxers are so rare.

I just think the rules should be more black and white and a fail is a fail and should be a lengthy ban. It would help make sure it doesn't keep happening. The current set up almost encourages cheating.

I agree that the expenses would be the issue.

I think it could be solved by having a system, say for example, all boxers within the top-25 in the championship rankings should have to pay a small percentage out of their purse. Or maybe have like a tier-system, where depending on how much you make, that's how much you pay.. Obviously boxers at the top of the game would have a lot more at stake, so it would justify them having to pay more. IDK, just a basic concept, but there's plenty flaws with this I"m sure.

I'm torn between trying to crack down harder like this, and just making the shyte legal and controlled.

[john l]

Think I voted already.

I just put it out like a min before I quoted you.Maybe one of the guys beat me to it.But I did not see it.

[Eff Pandas]

I just put it out like a min before I quoted you.Maybe one of the guys beat me to it.But I did not see it.

Oh sh^t okay. I voted in one earlier today. I'll look for it.