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  • filup79
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    #51
    Originally posted by Sheldon312
    People forget that in some fights Wilder clearly gets outboxed. Let's take the Spilka, Ortiz, and Washington fights for example, Wilder basically lost every round leading to the KO. These guys are a lot smaller and less physically stronger than a guy like AJ. AJ will not let Wilder off the hook if he gets him hurt and let's not forget that there is a wide skill disparity between the tow. I wouldn't be surprised if this fight resembles the Crawford vs Indongo where an extremely flawed fighter loses to the much more skilled and younger fighter.
    You should also bring up that both of those fighters were southpaws. Where alot of orthodox fighters struggle early on with southpaws until they adjust to them. How would AJ fair against a southpaw and do we know for sure that AJ would have been able to take and survive Ortiz's punches. It don't matter that AJ is supposedly bigger and stronger because he seems to gas and its take longer for someone his size to replenish his energy. This winner of this fight is the one who can take a punch and land a bomb.

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    • Sheldon312
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      #52
      Originally posted by filup79
      You should also bring up that both of those fighters were southpaws. Where alot of orthodox fighters struggle early on with southpaws until they adjust to them. How would AJ fair against a southpaw and do we know for sure that AJ would have been able to take and survive Ortiz's punches. It don't matter that AJ is supposedly bigger and stronger because he seems to gas and its take longer for someone his size to replenish his energy. This winner of this fight is the one who can take a punch and land a bomb.
      Neither Joshua or Wilder have a "great chin" The power disparity between the two is minimal but the skill disparity is wide. Like I said, I only go with the more skilled fighter when weight and power is pretty much so equal. I have no doubt in my mind that AJ would've stopped Spilka, Stiverne, Ortiz, or Washington. Joshua would never be outboxed for 7 rounds in the row and hesitant to let his hands go like Wilder. If you think otherwise, you are clearly Bias.

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      • LacedUp
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        #53
        Originally posted by sotgoda
        Guess we can agree to disagree. A promoter who thinks Parker is more difficult than Wilder. Who makes fun of Wilder's weight - not sure you and I are getting the same thing from his responses. It is entirely possible to glean different things from the same conversation.
        There's nothing to agree or disagree about. Hearn has literally always said he felt Wilder would be the biggest threat to AJ.

        He also said he felt AJ would be bad stylistically for him.

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        • sotgoda
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          #54
          Originally posted by LacedUp
          There's nothing to agree or disagree about. Hearn has literally always said he felt Wilder would be the biggest threat to AJ.

          He also said he felt AJ would be bad stylistically for him.
          Really? Can you point me to where he said that until recently? All I have heard is that Parker is tougher than Wilder. I also hear the hype of a mystical Fury - the one who showed up for 1 fight against Wlad as the untouchable one or the more difficult one. Wilder has been dismissed multiple times by Eddie. Now that the fight is getting close, all I see is backtracking from Eddie and his cohorts.

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            #55
            Originally posted by sotgoda
            I like your confidence. Wish AJ and Eddie were that confident. For me, I don't see AJ beating Wilder anytime in the next 2 - 3 years. I think Wilder's strengths trump and negate what AJ brings to the table. AJ can box and/or hit - he will still lose to Wilder. Hopefully, we get to see the match later this year. You and I can assess the outcome and the whys then.
            Hearn wants to maximise money for this fight. Even if that means delaying it. Respect your opinion. But I honestly think that a strong right hand is 90% of his strength. And the Ortiz fight proved that he can be there for the taking against AJ..

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              #56
              Originally posted by boxxsingh
              Hearn wants to maximise money for this fight. Even if that means delaying it. Respect your opinion. But I honestly think that a strong right hand is 90% of his strength. And the Ortiz fight proved that he can be there for the taking against AJ..
              Bro, let's hope AJ wins against Parker 1st. If not, all this will be grossly embarrassing and a shame. Wilder was the one with the pressure which has now been doubled upon AJ.

              As for me, I don't see AJ beating Wilder. Part of the Wilder mystery is the impression that all he has is the right hand.

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                #57
                Originally posted by Shadoww702
                Ain't gonna matter what anyone thinks here soon. Unless Parker upsets the apple kart... AJ needs to only worry about him next.
                You got that right!

                I'm glad people are having these discussions about the heavyweight division though. Looking forward to Joshua v Parker. I think it's going to be a good fight.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Redgloveman
                  You got that right!

                  I'm glad people are having these discussions about the heavyweight division though. Looking forward to Joshua v Parker. I think it's going to be a good fight.
                  Me too! This weight 1 good hit and there out.

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                  • sotgoda
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Sheldon312
                    Neither Joshua or Wilder have a "great chin" The power disparity between the two is minimal but the skill disparity is wide. Like I said, I only go with the more skilled fighter when weight and power is pretty much so equal. I have no doubt in my mind that AJ would've stopped Spilka, Stiverne, Ortiz, or Washington. Joshua would never be outboxed for 7 rounds in the row and hesitant to let his hands go like Wilder. If you think otherwise, you are clearly Bias.
                    Technical skill - AJ is much better. Overall skill/tools - Wilder has the edge. Power - disparity is not minimal. AJ does not knock people down like Wilder does. AJ outweighs Wilder by 20 - 30 pounds at minimum so, not sure if we can say that is pretty much equal. This is another reason to respect what Wilder does. He has been outweigh (I believe) 37/40 fights and still whoops these guys.

                    Boxing is about match ups. I don't see AJ beating Ortiz. I can see him beating the rest of the guys you mentioned - they don't have enough power to keep AJ away. Further, AJ's come forward style is a foil for them too. AJ is usually willing to take one to throw one.

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                    • Mr Objecitivity
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by pollywog
                      Parker besting Takam proves he's better!

                      Oilskin has been boxing since age 4 so has a deeper grounding in fundamentals.

                      He's gone the distance regularly and rarely gasses suggesting greater stamina.

                      He's weathered all storms from all comers proving great defense to do so.

                      He's never been put down...EVER!!! Meaning better punch residence and more durable chin.

                      He's defending a world title, so has more to lose than breezy and the villain, thus extra motivation.

                      He's NEVER been destroyed by anyone and AJ is vastly overrated, while Parker is vastly underrated.

                      If ever there was a recipe for an upset to deluded AJ fanboys, look no further than...

                      Joseph OILSKIN Parker... a big hearted, humble, skilled 25 yr old Samoan warrior.

                      AJ has never faced anyone, let alone another YOUNGER champion who is in nearly every way his equal, but in some ways his better.

                      Let's take AJ's last 2 fights.

                      He got dropped by an inactive 40yr old ex champ who ran out of puff and couldn't put him away when he had the chance.

                      That won't happen with Parker !

                      Next fight, he struggles to put away, Takam, a fighter who only had 2 weeks notice and took everything AJ could fire with the fight being controversially stopped before the championship rounds.

                      Oilskin has a no expense spared full camp to prepare and also beat Takam over the distance.

                      There's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to suggest AJ will destroy Parker or knock him out.

                      There's every probability the powers that be, inclusive of home cooked refs, will help AJ in every way to get the win and keep laying the golden eggs on a trail to the windmill's doorstep .

                      Team Parker know this and know their best shot is to knock AJ over, which is exactly what they are looking to do.

                      AJ is vulnerable to Parkers style. He knows this and knows Parker isn't intimidated by him or will be underdone.AJ knows Parker can light him up. The question is...

                      Is AJ good enough to do anything about it?

                      I don't think so!
                      The thing is, Anthony Joshua did a better job on Carlos Takam than Joseph Parker did. The only other boxer who beat Takam more convincingly and impressively was Alexander Povetkin.

                      So how does Parker beating Takam prove he is better than Anthony Joshua when he BARELY beat Takam whilst Joshua easily beat Takam by winning nearly every round?

                      In terms of fundamentals, Joseph Parker loses more rounds, gets hit more and is less accurate and less frequent with effective punches landed than Anthony Joshua. So how can he be the better fundamentally sound boxer when such is the case?

                      Anthony Joshua has shown to have a good work rate in the championship rounds as well in his last few bouts. So how does Parker have better stamina?

                      Joseph Parker has never been hit by anybody that hits as hard as Wladimir Klitschko. So how do we know Joseph Parker has the better chin since Joshua only got dropped by Wladimir Klitschko who is arguably the most powerful puncher in heavyweight boxing history?

                      I'm not an Anthony Joshua fanboy by any means. In fact, I would be as pleased as anybody to see an upset victory produced by Joseph Parker to ****e and change things up in the heavyweight division a little bit. And it'd be nice to see if Anthony Joshua can redeem himself and how he would do so if he does, from a defeat. That'd show his true greatness!

                      I hope you're correct and Joseph Parker puts on the performance required to pull off the upset victory. However, from what I've seen from Joseph Parker so far, I'm not very confident in his chances. I hope I'm proven wrong though!

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