Comments Thread For: Victor Conte Reacts To Canelo Testing Positive For Clenbuterol

[Shadoww702]

Conte the expert on this shyt has done nonstop interviews today since the story broke and is on record in all of them saying flat out he believes that this was tainted meat. So yes conte believes canelo results are because he ate mexican meat.

Even nice resturants have used this meat. Its not just street vendors. A few years back 800 got really sic. And a couple years ago another 300 went ER.

Still Canelo was dumb. Did he get tested in Mexico or Colorado?? I know he was there a few weeks ago???

[bigdunny1]

Even nice resturants have used this meat. Its not just street vendors. A few years back 800 got really sic. And a couple years ago another 300 went ER.

Still Canelo was dumb. Did he get tested in Mexico or Colorado?? I know he was there a few weeks ago???

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...golovkin-fight

Alvarez, who is training in his hometown of Guadalajara, Mexico, provided urine samples on Feb. 17 and Feb. 20, and both tests came back positive for trace amounts of clenbuterol, according to the letter VADA president Dr. Margaret Goodman sent to those involved on Monday, and obtained by ESPN.

In the ESPN story has a copy of the letter that states the samples were taken in Jalisco, Mexico. So he was definitely in Mexico not colorado.

[j0zef]

Agree with Conte. They had to know it was a possibility. No reason for them to take risks like this. What if Canelo really has been juicing for last 3 months? There were videos over the holidays and he was in shape already.

[Travycat]

Didn't Vargas test positive for steroids after the De La Hoya fight, though (and was suspended for almost a year, I believe)? I watched a documentary called "Icarus" on Netflix a few weeks ago. It was interesting that Dr. Don Catlin, an anti-doping scientist and founder of UCLA’s Olympic Analytical Laboratory, said that today's tests are much better, but still easily beatable. It could've been the meat or like Conte said, these guys had 4 months before testing to do whatever they wanted, so there could be trace amounts leftover that hadn't exited yet. I enjoy watching both fighters, but I also understand fans of a particular person (or anything they're passionate about in life) don't want to see something if it goes against their belief system. I guess we'll just have to let the professionals sort it out here, but I think you're right, no way they cancel this fight.

No chance there is already precident for this exact situation in boxing and other sports. Fernando Vargas and Erik Morales big high profile fights both guys tested positive for very small traces consistent to tainted meat results. Both fights weren't canceled. NFL had a player visit Mexico for a week vacation came back tested positive for small traces. NFL maybe the most strict drug suspension policy chose to not suspend him because of the high rate of tainted meat in mexico. The NFL player didn't eat taco cart meat. Had receipts from all the restaurants he ate at prove how wide spread the meat problem in Mexico is and that you don't just get it by eating taco carts in the hood to get it in your system. It's so bad NFL released a memo to all players telling them to not eat any meat in mexico.

The fight is going to continue on not even the GGG camp is asking for the fight to be canceled. Nevada is not canceling the fight.

[Citizen Koba]

Very few boxers do and GGG is not one of them. Donaire is the only one i remember top of my head does year round.

And the WBC/WBA require VADA as soon as fight signed. If your gonna lie, lie on dumber sites....

I thought Golovkin had been in the clean boxer program since 2016 or so? Canelo was too at around that time I think but may have dropped out after the Khan fight or after he fell out with the WBC.

[Slowhand]

I thought Golovkin had been in the clean boxer program since 2016 or so? Canelo was too at around that time I think but may have dropped out after the Khan fight or after he fell out with the WBC.

Mostly correct. CBP was introduced 2016 and that´s when Canelo dropped the WBC MW belt.. you do the math.

[Corelone]

This here is a litmus test. If the fight goes on and Canelo misses weight, like Nery, the effects of the drug will be indisputable. He will damn all of them and their tainted meat excuse. He either makes weight or it is deliberate drugging, and they know what they're doing. If he makes weight and looks bad, again, we know why.

[Citizen Koba]

Bing. ****. Boom.

Pretty obvious to me. Dude has a career worth tens, no, hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, no surprise he tried to get a competitive advantage.

But whatever, people are gonna believe whatever they want to believe. Or more likely, whomever fight they favor more, they will support that agenda.

I need more information regarding trial testing on how much meat it takes to show up in your metabolites. How many ng/mL's was found in Canelo's system?

If they KNOW that contaminated meat can produce these ultra trace amounts, then set a cutoff threshold for the drug test levels. Where anything under a certain amount is allowed because of how unlikely it would be to come from a thing other than contaminated meat.

they do the same thing with tests for street drugs, to prevent excuses like secondhand smoke.

I mean this is actually the key question here, which few seem to be addressing. The articles I've seen talk about being in the 'expected range for contaminated meat' and 'trace amounts' but the only important information in this case is whether the blood or urine concentrations were within or outside the proscribed limits. There will always be excuses and explanations (unless a fighter is actually caught red-handed deliberately introducing this ish into his body) and we can always choose what we wish to believe, but if the dude has more of this **** in his blood than is allowed under the rules, whatever the reason, he needs to be treated the same as anyone else.

WADA cut-offs foe Clenbuterol are 0.2 ng/mL I believe..

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defau...-Levels-EN.pdf

but these are just guidelines andVADA may use differing standards. Further to that the boxing orgs themselves are the ones who actually enforce the rules so they can pretty much choose to apply the standards they want. I'm finding it tricky to actually find specific details on the rules they use.

[Dr.Cool]

My friends used to get their steroids from TJ when they wrestled back in high school

I had another teammate in college he played JC football and he was fat and the next few months he burned off fat and got rock solid muscles he took steroids he told me he got them from Tijuana.

I had friends in high school who used roids. They all got them from a small rural all-white Ohio town. You can get roids anywhere. Being Mexican does not make you more likely to do roids. And it is quite easy to get in the states also.

You knowing people who may or may not have obtained some form of steroids in Mexico as no bearing on Canelo. It is simply racist, stereotyping. There is plenty of reason to blame Canelo, but one of the reasons is not because he is Mexican. In fact, in 2011 almost 200 under-17 soccer players from various nations all tested positive for this same substance while in Mexico for a tournament. All were cleared, as it was found to be from contaminated meat.

So, if being from Mexico means Canelo is more or less likely to have been taking it to cheat, it would point to it being accidental.

[Muz]

So the facts come out canelo doesn't do 365 year round drug test.....He clearly juiced the furst fught and now juiced even more this time. No excuses. Suspension is the right mov